|
Post by doctorrain on Nov 18, 2014 7:24:22 GMT -5
Lately I been hearing about how Evan Turner is the main scapegoat on this team or was for a bit on other forums I been reading. So not the case. I think theres only one player who many of the mistakes can be put on and that's Rajon Rondo. For starters he let the clock run out vs the Cavs, tonight misses all 3 free throws.. WHERE DOES IT END! Right now I want Evan Turner running point and kinda wish Rondo was still out to be honest. We are no better with him out there.
It no longer matters to me that Rondo wants to be a celtic for life, theres also speculation he is saying that but might walk when his contract is up. Danny better get something for him ASAP.. all I have to say. You trade him and get the best deal possible. I like the possibility of getting Perkins back so Rondo to OKC for Perkins, Jackson and Lamb?? No picks even would be fine with me if this was the return. But honestly, after these last 2 games OKC might reconsider giving up this much even. Sadly. Rondo is only good when he is the 4th banana, he cannot and will not be the best player on a team and expect to win any kind of playoff series let alone make the playoffs. His weaknesses have been exposed major since the Big 3 isn't here.
I say let Turner run PG, get Kelly and Zeller more opportunities and let James Young play more even and give Bradley less minutes, Bring Sully off the bench to prepare for a time where Boston might have to get that true rim protector and he and Kelly can't start in the same lineup. I mean how much worse can it be? Lets change it up some. I say lets go into tank mode for the next few games just to see who can step up, play Powell, Young, Pressey, even Gerald. If I was Danny I would be hitting those phones today calling teams about taking Rondo or Avery.
That's also another thing, Avery Bradley is not as good as he was. He has improved offensively but is not the defensive player we always known him to be. Turner is doing better than him defensively even. Tony remained that defensive great player on Memphis and Perkins stayed solid overall or his numbers didn't drop a whole lot anyhow. Avery though, hes losing the defense that once made him a good replacement for Tony. Now I kinda wish we had Tony again not for nothing. Unless you want to get even more offensive and get Reggie Jackson and Lamb and then make a blockbuster trade for a rim protector, now that can work I feel. Perkins, Jackson, and Lamb is a more than good return for Rondo IF OKC will even accept it now.. I'd think they would though because of their 3-8 start and they might get desperate enough.
To me Rondo and Bradley I would put on the trading block very soon, then Bass and Gerald next. Turner I'd keep believe it or not.
|
|
|
Post by Celtic17 on Nov 18, 2014 8:53:45 GMT -5
Years of experience.
8 - Rondo 6 - Green 9 - Bass 4 - Bradley 2 - Sullinger 13 - Wallace 2 - Zeller 1 - Olynyk 5 - Thornton 1 - Faverani 1 - Pressey R - Smart 4 - Turner R - Young R - Powell
That looks like a young team to me. I'm not going to start dumping pieces before they have a chance to grow as a team. You mix things up and you start from scratch, for the most part, all over again. Not a real solid way to build a team IMO. Before the season started how many of these games do you think we would have been in at the end of the game? I've said it more times than I can remember ---- Rondo needs to do better at the charity-stripe. Other than that I would stack him up against any other point guard in the league. A young team needs a player like him. Lets not jump off the ledge quite yet. We are only 9 games in........ R E L A X (as it were)........
I do like the idea of getting Perkins back. I'm not willing to part with Rondo to make it happen.
|
|
|
Post by FLCeltsFan on Nov 18, 2014 10:53:25 GMT -5
You made some good points. Yes, Rondo has been at fault for some of the Celtics woes. He did dribble the clock out and miss 3 clutch free throws. He also tends to lapse into too much dribbling at times and slows the offense down. But he's still one of the best distributors in the game. It would be a shame to give him away without getting good value back. But then again, I wouldn't want to have him walk and get nothing back.
I've been one of Perk's biggest fans since his rookie season and would LOVE to have him back. He will be a free agent this summer and maybe we can get him for cheap this summer. Perk is still one of the best post defenders out there. As for OKC trading for Rondo, they have Westbrook and may not want to replace him at PG. Although, a backcourt of Rondo at PG and Westie at SG would be pretty incredible. I follow the Thunder pretty closely and I don't think they are desperate because they know that it won't be long and they'll have Durant and Westbrook back. Then, they are a whole nother team.
Great post! Glad to have you hear.
Turner is best when playing on the ball. The times he is running the point, he has played very well. He's not as good playing off the ball. I was also thinking that Bradley's defense has slipped somewhat from a couple of years ago. But I was thinking that maybe it seemed that way to me because Smart's defense is so otherworldly.
|
|
|
Post by nateval on Nov 18, 2014 11:30:56 GMT -5
I agree with you guys Turner is best with the ball in his hands. When it comes to Bradley I like him playing more of a defensive role rather than the scorer he has turned into the past couple of years. IMO his defense has fallen off since he has become more of a scoring option the past two seasons. When it comes to Rondo the guy is really good can't argue it otherwise. The problem is I don't think he's the right guy for this team. Rondo will test free agency I would hate to lose him for nothing, it's going to be a calculated risk by DA. Trade him now or let him become a FA and hope he comes back. If he walks in free agency it will be a major blow to the organization. If DA wants to sign him and he signs elsewhere it will be a major blow in my trust of DA.
|
|
|
Post by FLCeltsFan on Nov 18, 2014 16:07:47 GMT -5
Just to add to this discussion about Rondo's free throw shooting. This is from the Globe.
Here’s a full breakdown of the worst five free throw shooters in the league to this point: (Minimum 20 attempts)
Rajon Rondo: 30% (6-of-20) Andre Drummond: 42.4% (14-of-33) Ed Davis: 43.5% (10-of-23) Dwight Howard: 46.2% (42-of-91) Josh Smith: 46.7% (21-of-45)
Rondo is the worst free throw shooter in the league. I remember Red once talking about the size of a players hands messing with their free throw shooting and he felt that players with very large hands (like Shaq) were at a disadvantage when it came to shooting FT's. I'm not sure that's the case but Rondo's huge hands may have something to do with it.
I think back to that HORSE contest that Rondo was in against KD a few years back and he hit 3 pointer after 3 pointer to stay in that contest. So the guy can shoot. But it is so puzzling why he can't shoot in a game. Maybe it's a focus thing.
|
|
|
Post by Celtic17 on Nov 18, 2014 17:40:41 GMT -5
What did I say? Jeez
|
|
|
Post by doctorrain on Nov 28, 2014 19:24:00 GMT -5
Just to add to this discussion about Rondo's free throw shooting. This is from the Globe. Here’s a full breakdown of the worst five free throw shooters in the league to this point: (Minimum 20 attempts) Rajon Rondo: 30% (6-of-20) Andre Drummond: 42.4% (14-of-33) Ed Davis: 43.5% (10-of-23) Dwight Howard: 46.2% (42-of-91) Josh Smith: 46.7% (21-of-45) Rondo is the worst free throw shooter in the league. I remember Red once talking about the size of a players hands messing with their free throw shooting and he felt that players with very large hands (like Shaq) were at a disadvantage when it came to shooting FT's. I'm not sure that's the case but Rondo's huge hands may have something to do with it. I think back to that HORSE contest that Rondo was in against KD a few years back and he hit 3 pointer after 3 pointer to stay in that contest. So the guy can shoot. But it is so puzzling why he can't shoot in a game. Maybe it's a focus thing.
I have big hands and maybe that's why I also had trouble with F/T's. I know I did though.
|
|
|
Post by doctorrain on Nov 28, 2014 19:28:35 GMT -5
Now Boston is 4-9. Absolutely terrible.
I have come to the conclusion Kelly CANNOT play center under any circumstances. Otherwise they are just forcing him to play out of position and lets just say Rondo walks ok, Kelly would be under contract still but once his free agency is up, he could walk too so Danny has to get a winning culture going and fast or we might as well be on pace to being the next 76ers or get another Hinkie to replace Danny and then we'll have shots at the top pick every yr. I mean come on, one of them or maybe 2 has to be a Hakeem Olajuwan right?
I mean ya it was sarcasm kinda but this team does need a defensive center no question. Every guy is in their position, but the combination of Smart being hurt and Kelly playing a position hes been playing horribly at, I feel that's the reason we're 4-9. if I was gm or coach I know I'd be making a trade or at the very least switching the lineup around and try different adjustments like Popovich would do.
|
|
mev17
CHIEF MODERATOR
Posts: 2,952
|
Post by mev17 on Nov 28, 2014 23:19:13 GMT -5
A more likely trade piece would be Bass, since he is playing well when he is in the game and other teams would value him. But I think there is time to feel out the trade market before any moves have to be made -- it's not like we were going to contend for a title this year.
|
|
|
Post by doctorrain on Nov 29, 2014 0:46:43 GMT -5
A more likely trade piece would be Bass, since he is playing well when he is in the game and other teams would value him. But I think there is time to feel out the trade market before any moves have to be made -- it's not like we were going to contend for a title this year. Then if that's the case its better to try and get worse. Trade Bass for a pair of seconds or something and then give a D leaguer or Powell that playing time. I wouldn't mind unloading some of the vets and letting the young guys play. Or Rondo for a 1st in 2015 with another expiring deal, a few other pieces maybe. This is the kind of trade I'd like to give NY actually. Rondo and Gerald for Larkin, 1st and Amare. This would be hard to pass up.
|
|