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Post by cfoo on Nov 12, 2014 1:51:26 GMT -5
Just thought i'd have some fun with my fantasy team since I have most of the celtics starters. Couldnt get KO or Smart but was trying but they went pretty high up in the draft higher than I thought they would. But Jeff GReen so far is the 2nd rated player on my team. I was drafting guards and sf's late beacuse i thought there were some good sleepers there but didn't expect thsi in ways. But Jeff even after a somewhat down game last game is still rated 19th in the league. My team isn't doing too hot but a lot of injuries early hasnt helped. But jeff Green is a top player in the league at least statistically so far. Consistency has always been an issue. SAme with Bradley trying to stay healthy b ut espn's rankings of players in the nba might have to recheck that.
Yahoo average fantasy rankings **RONDO 110-kind of misleading because he dominates so many categories Jimmy Butler 15 Brandon Jennings 102 **JEFF GREEN 19 Lamarcus Aldridge 38 Drummond 229 Tim Duncan 67 Derrick Favors 54 TErrence Jones 29 **JARED SULLINGER 39 Draymond Green 47 Russell Wesbrook 32 **AVERY BRADLEY 108 Trey Burke 191
I've had all these guys past years too so there is a change in jeff Green. Bradley is kind of like Jeff GReen was for me last year where he is scoring but not getting those other stats. HE's still young though. Jeff Green may be turning a corner.
Kelly Olynyk is rated 40 overall on average Marcus Smart is 168
About right. I wanted KO over draymond green and Smart over Burke but they got snagged up.
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Post by cfoo on Nov 12, 2014 1:55:24 GMT -5
We are 2 weeks in but gotta give Jeff some due for that. It's also making me feel better about passing on some of teh guards early taking rondo and getting Jeff later. He's been a top 20 player at least according to fantasy metrics and stats for 2 weeks straight. Hopefully he keeps it up.
Free throw percentage is obviously overvalued. It's why guys like rondo and drummond are rated so low. But efficiency wise I'd say Green is up there regardless so far. Whehter it's fantasy or not and just all around game.
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Post by cfoo on Nov 12, 2014 2:11:57 GMT -5
STats are somewhat meaningless too imo. Rondo to me is still our best player. Marcus Smart is still much better than his yahoo ranking as well. But perspective wise and production wise the numbers don't lie. We are also 3-3 because he's giving us that consistant production against tough competition. He isn't doing this against low level teams either.
I hope he keeps this up and doesn't let other parts of his game go by the wayside. It seems about right he would have a good year. He's entering his prime. He was second fiddle to Durant. Got traded here. Didn't have a clear role. Had heart surgery. Took a year getting back. Had his first full year last year here in on a team in transition and was asked to be the guy. Teammates make you better. FAns got down on him for whatever but hopefully this is a good sign.
I feel the same way about Rondo in ways. This is his first year back fully from surgery. Ainge may be playing tricks on himself and Rondo saying things liek he expects rondo to have the best year of his career. He might but it's also a good negotiating point for us and him.
The media keeps going on that we are trading these guys. I don't like that too much. Maybe they are just raising their trade value but why? If they are good why are we trading them?
I still think alot of that is selling stuff what people want to hear vs actually educating people although i could be wrong. They talk about what's trending. Because that's what sells to the masses. To each their own but the world is not flat. It has peaks and valleys and is circular. lol. We are all like that in ways. Some more than others. People have their ups and downs are like a whole universe unto themselves, and I'm still rooting for Jeff Green. Everyone is different but the same and he can decide that still. I'm hilarious though...
The most promising aspect of Jeff Green's down games scoring wise the last couple is he scored like 14 points in each but he also rebounded the ball and passed it and filled up the stat sheet in other areas. He wasn't stat stuffing either. The numbers just worked out that way. Some players do stat stuff. If you look at Jeff's numbers they are just across the board and he is more playing his role.
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Post by cfoo on Nov 12, 2014 3:17:06 GMT -5
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vl0mNxQhtxEHere's his best game against the mavericks this year. This is against a team who I feel is one of the top if not the top team in basketball. He is extremely aggressive pulling the trigger on his shot and what he is doing with the ball. That isn't luck. That's something barring injury should continue for him. I hope we can keep these guys and pay them too. I hope Jeff doesn't opt out and will restructure. He is playing for a contract in ways but I hope it's with us. We are negotiating against these guys in ways and it's the nba and you have to be careful paying players. We have guys under rookie deals and we need ot be able to pay them too. We also have James Young we just drafted. It's a tough call there. But Jeff Green is definitely proving the doubters wrong and I hope we can keep him. I hope he's not playing his way out of Boston. If he's playing like that that's a guy we want to keep I would imagine. Players can be replaced but that's not that simple. His trade value is definitely going up and his value to us is as well. The guy is putting his game right where it should be. I can say these things somewhat and it's not really an I told you so post either. But I read how Jeff Green can't be this or can't be that or we have to do this or that. Everyone is different and a lot of people are right in regards but for 2 weeks at least I think it's fact that Jeff Green hasn't been a 3rd wheel. Never been on for labels , but he's been one of the best basketball players on the planet. For 2 weeks at least. More just giving him his due. There are going to be tougher defensive teams than the mavericks, but I hope he keeps doing what he is because he's playing his game the right way. Always believed in him. Still do regardless of what happens.
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Post by cfoo on Nov 12, 2014 9:43:52 GMT -5
Brad STevens is the x-factor and just the Celtics as a whole. Brad Stevens had him working on the right things. Because if you watch jeff play it's not just him being more aggressive. He's playing with confidence and is taking shots that are different. His effort level Is still jeff green but it's how he's doing it. His confidence and energy is much better. He is just locked in because he knows what shots he is going to take.
McHale was one of those guys who would always adjust and learn something new every offseason and add a wrinkle to his game. Some teams never improve but the Celtics are becoming a system like that where we might not pay guys big money and replace certain guys but you still need those staples. Jeff is looking like a guy who could earn that. He is deadly right now with his shot and is locked in.
You need talent but coaching goes a long way. Jeff is one of our most talented players and one of the most talented in the league and he's playing like it now.
I think a lot of it has to do that we just have better players around him though and are playing better as a team. Rondo is doing a better job giving hte ball up. We are just playing better as a whole and Jeff is elevating his game and is hitting his prime. Pierce did similar things. Pierce was never the problem overly.. I never understood that. We are a system that way but we are just getting better as a team and Jeff Green coincidently is as well. Timing is everything. Young players take a bit. I have no doubt their development will be accelerated with STevens and a better system but even still.
I also think this team won't get complacent. We did that with our big 3 last time. I don't think that will be the case here. It's 2 weeks in and Jeff should keep getting better actually. I've said this a million times but the whole thing is a process. The celtics have been building all along and progressing. Choices are made in that DA plans ahead and is a step ahead in that regard.
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Post by Celtic17 on Nov 12, 2014 18:41:44 GMT -5
Sorry to say. 32 had 33, 00 and such... 3, 44, 5 (The 5 = Walton)and more suches... Not to take away from his growth. Loves my Kev. He did add each year.
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Post by cfoo on Nov 13, 2014 9:30:41 GMT -5
Well Green stunk it up last game and so did the entire team but he was playing well. Just giving him his due. Most people don't do that and either want to trade him or talk about how much he sucks even when he does play well. He's been playing real well so far minus the stinker last night. I don't think anyone played well that's the thing. Hopefully they get back on track and focused. That's going to be a deciding factor for a lot of these guys if they do keep improving and pushing themselves and buy in to what Stevens Is trying to do.
Guys are going to have down nights though. That's just part of the nba. You win some you lose some. Teams show up with no energy sometimes . Never been too much of a nitpicker there but it would be nice if this team could keep that focus for once and actually keep getting better and get on a good roll.
Last game was disappointing. Those are those moments where you do have to question our focus in ways. It's a long season though. Marathon not a sprint. But guys remain inconsistent and don't turn it up in the playoffs either. Those are the guys that aren't going to stick around very long.
It's also stevens job as a coach to have these guys focused. I'm usually more supportive and realize its a long season. But people criticized doc for that. Why would Stevens be any different in that regard? It's the nba though and a long season. I've never lost sight of that.
Jeff Green needs to get back focused. He's slipping a bit this past week. He really came out this year looking focused and determined and just shows what he's capable of. That last game overall was just disappointing. We looked like everything we shouldn't be. People are saying the crowd wasn't into it either. I get people are human and have ups and downs but they criticize these players for the same things. Well get with it. Long season. We need to have some focus. It's 82 games and if this team played balls to the wall every night they'd probably all be in the infirmary. Be worn out come playoff time etc.
I just want green to show more consistency night in and night out and just stay focused and keep getting better. Bad games every so often are ok, but we can avoid that too.
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Post by cfoo on Nov 13, 2014 9:45:16 GMT -5
I guess what i'm saying is GReen, Rondo the fans everything in between have been a staple of inconsistency and are pretty much this teams MO in a nutshell the last several whatever. STevens hasn't changed that yet either. Since 08 and maybe like 2010 this team hasn't gone on a run in a long time. WE do short sprints and then stink it up. Whether that's a youth issue or a leadership issue or a human nature issue just an NBA issue or whatever I have no idea.
Popovich intentionally rests guys during the regular season for that reason. It's a long haul and he just will sit guys when they hit that wall. We played 6 tough opponents and then hit a wall and took the night off, so that's kind of understandable somewhat. But even still.
I've always said its a marathon and not a sprint though. The Celtics in ways may be overexerting some games where they need to find that just good focus. I dont think thats necessarily it though. i think this team needs to legitmently go out there every night and try to get better and keep the pressure on these teams. Soem games we may just crash and burn but we can avoid taht if we just keep putting that effort forward.
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Post by doctorrain on Nov 18, 2014 17:17:52 GMT -5
Jeff Green is the best SF this team could have. I remember a tall SF type was a big need at a time or some talked about trading Pierce for one, but honestly I can't think of anyone better this team could have.
I will go on record for saying that if I were to trade Jeff Green within a week, I would want either Kevin Durant or Paul George back in it. That's how good I think he is.
I will also go on record for saying Jeff Green is the closest thing we probably ever had to the Len Bias type. Len Bias died, if he had played, is there really any guarantee he would be better than Green is now? No there really isn't especially since he would be behind Larry Bird for a number of years more. He was hyped to be nearly at the same level as MJ and the athleticism being similar but guess what, Jeff Green I find is quite athletic too. Bias probably would have been used in the same way Green was in his first 3 seasons, either out of position, backing up a better SF, and possibly getting hurt.
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Post by eja117 on Nov 18, 2014 18:16:09 GMT -5
Wow. Opinions on Jeff Green can be vastly different. It seems he and Rondo are the most polarizing players with maybe Avery after that. I think he's doing better than last year, but that's not saying much.
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Post by Celtic17 on Nov 19, 2014 18:09:25 GMT -5
Wow. Opinions on Jeff Green can be vastly different. It seems he and Rondo are the most polarizing players with maybe Avery after that. I think he's doing better than last year, but that's not saying much. Does he live in No America, So America or Boston? #Polar affect... Just having fun E.
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Post by eja117 on Nov 19, 2014 22:46:31 GMT -5
Um....um.....does not compute. Does not compute.
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Post by Celtic17 on Nov 20, 2014 18:54:08 GMT -5
You said polar(izing). Just playing with a word. Never mind...
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