cfoo
Welcome To Celtics Green!
Posts: 1
|
Post by cfoo on Sept 23, 2014 14:28:46 GMT -5
Starters
Rondo Bradley Green Sully Zeller
Bench rotation-12 man roster
Guards-Smart, Pressey, Thornton Forwards-Turner, Bass, KO Centers-Favarani
Additional depth- 15 man roster
Gerald Wallace Joel Anthony James Young
Cuts
Bogans Chris Johnson Babb
Someone is going to end up in the dleague. Maybe Anthony or Wallace could make the opening roster and Favarani will be back in the dleague not sure. James Young more than likely along with Chris Babb and Chris Johnson. I expect Bogans will be cut. I don't see Babb and Chris Johnson as more than filler for guys like young to take trips to the d-league to fill the roster. We have 2 draft picks coming up next year. thornton's contract is expiring. Not sure who else. We don't have to do much.
I expect Ainge to either deal Brandon Bass or Gerald Wallace is going to be sitting a lot. I'm still of the belief this team should be allowed to grow. Those rumors are going to persist of the next blockbuster or going with a youth movement but I don't think it's like that so much. It is but it's also a process. That process isn't how people think it is I don't think. It's a process over time that Ainge knows what he's doing. People need to write about something and sensationalize things. I know boring but reality is that. I don't think it's boring. I like our team.
|
|
cfoo
Welcome To Celtics Green!
Posts: 1
|
Post by cfoo on Sept 23, 2014 14:38:05 GMT -5
The way this team is set up Wallace isn't going to be here forever. James young can step into that role ultimately. Rondo could be moved. We could look for another star some other way. But outside of cutting bogans and possibly moving Bass there isn't a whole lot this roster is missing right now. Smart should make an impact this year. A decision on rondo etc.. We get 2 more draft picks coming up. Moves could be made depending on how we do. I think our roster fits together well and has talent. Moreso than last year. Players are going to improve. Rondo is really the key to this whole thing.
Most of this offseason was DA just weighing options like he does every offseason and is preparing for whatever. Discussions go on. It doesn't mean any of it is going to happen.
I expect Bass to stick and Gerald Wallace is going to sit a lot. Rondo could be dealt and we could move smart ultimately in as our pg and look to improve our center position and sf spot but as of now there really is no rush to do anything. Zeller, Green and Rondo are potentially good players at those spots where we can continue to draft as well. I don't think trading Rondo for crap and more picks really accomplishes much as it stands.
I think Sully and Bradley are going to be here regardless.
I don't know if I envision Zeller as our starting center on our next championship team. He could be. He could also be a backup. I tend to think he is going to stick for some reason in some role. I could definately see zeller being here when we win a championship. I think this team is going to evolve over time though. Depends how he does obviously but I can see that.
That's a good question to me though who is going to be here when that happens. I don't see a ton of changes being made. I see changes being made but more over a process. I think acquiring assets is one thing but there has to be a method to it and Aigne is going to improve the team and find the right moves.
Is Sully going to be a bench player when we win? I don't know. I more see him as a starter. I see KO as a bench player. I don't think many changes are going to be made there. WE could get a stud pf ultimately but I kind of doubt it. Love was that. It didn't happen. It was a lot of talk. Are we going to get Aldridge or Anthony DAvis someday? I kind of doubt it. Never say never but yeah.
I think it's possible Ainge could make a couple big moves before this is all said and done but for the time being I think it's just as possible he doesn't.
|
|
cfoo
Welcome To Celtics Green!
Posts: 1
|
Post by cfoo on Sept 23, 2014 17:20:47 GMT -5
The Celtics historically haven't done things like other teams and have had the ability to turn water into wine in the past. If you look at our roster it's going to be rondo or smart at the point ultimately. Or both. Sully more than likely is going to be our 4 in an ideal world unless we pull something out of our butts. I'd say Zeller has a good chance to be a big part of thigns going forward as a 5 in some way. So do Bradley and Jeff Green. Changes are going to be made somewhere but there are only so many positions and spots on a roster. Not sure why this team can't compete. Stevens has to coach well and it's going to take time and some moves somewhere but even still.
Zeller to me is one of those guys potentially. We needed a center and scoring and we picked up Zeller and Thornton for nothing. Noone had DA making that trade or had us going after Zeller.. We drafted well and drafted based on talent and what gives us options going forward. There's always going to be that deal that gets us that stud player or through the draft or whatever.
Jeff Green and Rondo are our best players right now. I can see Ainge ultimately moving Smart to the 1 and going after a legit center somwehre but there are only so many centers in the league. Those deals have to be there and Ainge is going to be prepared if he loses rondo but he's basically said Rondo has said he wants to be here. I think where the Celtics are coming from on that is what it is.
That's not even mentioning Turner and KO who should make impacts off the bench. This team still lacks a true shockblocking and lowpost presence and scoring threat but Sully is going to improve his scoring I feel. So is KO. Jgreen can score. Favarani can defend. A lot of sleeper prospects on this team with good coaching over time it's all going to make sense. Those losses are going to turn into wins. What we do have is a lot of versatility and a pg who can distribute the ball. If Stevens put these guys in the right spots and plays the numbers it's going to be that way. We are young and experience will come. We lost a lot of close games last year. Due to inexperience and just not enough firepower. We remained in games and competitive though. Barring Rondo going some other direction and starting again with smart and getting a center and scorer somehow that's how I'd like it to work out. As players mature and improve percentages go up. The defense will improve as well. Suddenty those close losses are wins for the Celtics.
Zeller and KO to me are up tempo big men and you want a pg who can get them the ball. Zeller was solid as a rookie. Cleveland was not using him correctly. They traded for Bynum and then Hawes. He's entering his 3rd year where DA has a knack for finding these guys.
|
|
|
Post by FLCeltsFan on Sept 25, 2014 7:36:39 GMT -5
Your rotation looks good from what we know at this point. Maybe another player will step up and earn a starting spot other than the usual suspects. I'm thinking that Turner has the chance to win the starting spot over Green if he comes in and works really hard.
I'd much rather keep Johnson than Anthony. I like Johnson over Wallace at this point also, but getting rid of Wallace isn't going to be easy. I like the kid. He hustles and works hard and contributes when he is in. Anthony doesn't contribute much.
I think Danny still hopes to make some kind of deal to open up some space on the team. I think that's why Turner hasn't been signed yet. It may or may not happen.
|
|
cfoo
Welcome To Celtics Green!
Posts: 1
|
Post by cfoo on Sept 25, 2014 7:57:37 GMT -5
Wallace to me is a hustle guy, good vet and a good contract to have as far as trades are concerned. I just don't know how we are going to play him. I can't figure that part out but he's probably going to play somehow. I see him sitting for stretches and him and turner rotating this year early on. I think Green is entrenched as the starter at SF. We need his range. Unless a trade is made somewhere Young probably isn't going to play much.
As far as Wallace's contract I see ainge attemping to package it and picks along with players possibly rondo for a max player. Or we just give rondo the max and draft and try to bring in another player to go with Rondo ultimately. Like I was saying I see Sully being our starting 4 with KO for years to come unless we bring in a big time PF and sully becomes a bench player. But Love was that and it didn't happen.
I like our roster for the most part. I think we should compete this year for a playoff spot. I don't see huge changes being made. There is going to be that move or moves eventually but we are set up pretty good as it stands.
I think Bass may be moved so we can play Wallace. Having them both isn't the end of the world though. DA will come up with something. I'm not too worried about it.
|
|
cfoo
Welcome To Celtics Green!
Posts: 1
|
Post by cfoo on Sept 25, 2014 8:09:09 GMT -5
All indications are that the Celtics want to build with Rondo and I agree with that too so I don't know. The goal imo should be to keep Rondo not lose a player like that. Smart is still very young and is more a sparkplug to me early on.
The way this team is set up right now we have a lot of options. Turner is more a distributor. Green has more range and goes better with Rondo imo. Turner would go better with Smart if Smart ever learns how to shoot. I more see Smart and turner as our bench though right now. Rondo and Green go together. I more see Smart making an impact off the bench defensively and as a sparkplug for now.
We are either going to compete or it's going to be another year of flux where we are caught in between. I think we are too talented to not at least compete but we will see. It's either going to be Tommy Heinsohn ball where we run for 48 minutes and utilize our depth or our depth ultimately takes over.
|
|
cfoo
Welcome To Celtics Green!
Posts: 1
|
Post by cfoo on Sept 25, 2014 8:24:45 GMT -5
Team A
Rondo Bradley Green Sully Zeller
Team B
Smart Thornton Turner KO Favarani
Team C
Pressey CJ Wallace Bass Anthony-Cut
D-league
James Young
Bass and Pressey are going to play more than that though. So is Wallace. Young ultimately might find himself in the rotation too somehow. I'd move pressey into Thornton's spot. Still not sure what to do with Bass. But he and Favarani might flip flop early on. Zeller might have some stretches too where he doesn't play much. Sully and KO are still young and are going to have stretches too.
James Young is basically just waiting for movement somewhere. Thornton, CJ and Wallace would be that. The thing is young could be a starter someday. He has that kind of ability to score. I see him as a josh howard clone potentially. He and Green both are that in ways.
Smart is going to be used off the ball as well as as a point so playing pressey and rondo isn't too big a deal to me. IF Pressey is getting 10-15 minutes per game. There should be room for Smart to get 20+ minutes as well as fit in thornton somehow.
|
|
cfoo
Welcome To Celtics Green!
Posts: 1
|
Post by cfoo on Sept 25, 2014 9:20:27 GMT -5
This team is difficult because it depends how our current group gels. Our future team could look like Smart, ?, James Young, Sully or KO, ? with Zeller off the bench and turner as an in between for all we know right now. Green to me is Josh Howard right now b ut he needs to get with the program. Rondo is what any team would want in a pg as well but it's the same thing. He needs to get with the program if he wants to stick. It's not easy to do that if you know your days are numbered. Timing is everything. It may just be a case of youth and building another way. I'd rather be good now and later and don't see why that isn't possible. I don't think we have to tank to do that either. Whether that will happen is something else, but I don't buy the whole being caught between thing. We have a ton of draft picks and options as it stands where that is possible imo. We are like the mavericks in that way. We get our stud SG and Michael finley and Tyson Chandler to go with that group we are the mavs in theory. bring AB off the bench and guys like Zeller. Turner would be a go between. Ainge could have had Mclemore and Asik but passed for now though. I can see why because he can do beter than that. We also aren't at that point yet. We made a run at Kevin Love. Sully and KO aren't Dirk yet and might never be for all we know right now. Still like them though. He looked at Embiid but wasn't willing to move on that either. We could use a stud center ultimately. It's a lot of talk but Ainge is looking at the right things. Tale of two tapes. Both sides have their pluses and minuses. I think I see it for the most part though. I don't think we want to lose Rondo. There's too much value in having him here right now. Whether we can make those moves or not. Ainge was smart got Zeller and Thornton cheap for now and is continuing to wait. We are the Celtics and are going to do things our own way and get a hardworking group to go with a young coach in Stevens ultimately. Ainge stood pat and drafted though and got 2 young players on the cheap with upside for now to expand our options. He actually got 5 guys with upside for nothing. Smart, Young, Zeller, Thornton, Turner. Still has Rondo and Green. Didn't have to trade them to do that. He's going to turn water into wine eventually.
|
|
cfoo
Welcome To Celtics Green!
Posts: 1
|
Post by cfoo on Sept 25, 2014 11:05:22 GMT -5
Talent and good coaching wins in the NBA. WE had our big 3 and that h appened and we rode KG, Pierce and Ray and Miami had theirs but there are other ways to do things. We ultimately want those 5 guys but Ainge has to be careful what he does and doesn't give up. Miami also lost to the Mavs and spurs because they were more talented well coached teams from top to bottom. If we have 12 guys and well coached and are a deep team it's the same thing. There are different ways to do things is all and Ainge should be careful finding that mix and what he gives up. We have potential to be a loaded team for a long time. That's my preaching for the day though. The lebrons of the world are beatable. There are only so many players in the league too. Basketball is the ultimate team sport and finding guys that gel and everything in between. But having talent from top to bottom and how contracts take shape and being smart from a GM perspective is part of that. The spurs won. They had Parker, Duncan and Ginobli they also had a ton of other guys and Duncan was that good because of the team around him as much as himself. The Mavs when they beat Miami were also a very deep team.
All this other stuf flike you need this that or this or that # 1 option or this or that is limiting and a bunch of baloney? Could rondo, Green an d sully be that under certain circumstances? Sure. I don't see why not.
We have talent and are well coached and play well together we are going to be good. Whether that's coming from the top guy or the 12th guy on the team. The more talent we have the better we are going to be.
|
|
cfoo
Welcome To Celtics Green!
Posts: 1
|
Post by cfoo on Sept 25, 2014 14:44:31 GMT -5
If bass sticks
Rondo Bradley Green Sully Zeller
9 man rotation
Smart Turner Bass KO
As needed
Pressey Thornton Wallace Favarani
Young in the dleague... Anthony or CJ as that extra guy. I don't like the whole showcasing thing. Guys are going to have injuries play in spurts. This roster should be competitive. I think we are going to be good! I expect Pressey, Thornton, Wallace and Fav to play a bigger role than that though. Maybe a year or so away from awesomeness. But things are shaping up nicely. We have a real chance to make the playoffs. This team has a chance to be a dynasty over time with all the picks we have.
|
|