cfoo
Welcome To Celtics Green!
Posts: 1
|
Post by cfoo on Aug 31, 2014 11:03:32 GMT -5
|
|
cfoo
Welcome To Celtics Green!
Posts: 1
|
Post by cfoo on Aug 31, 2014 11:09:04 GMT -5
Here's the video. They appear to be talking off camera and Macmullen has some inside knowledge. www.youtube.com/watch?v=4goffcw1udI#t=34I'm kind of disapointed in Rondo if this is teh case. If he doesn't want to be here then time to trade him. Marcus Smart here we come. If we are moving on from Rondo, Green may be next. It would make sense to go young at that point and go into next offseason looking for a replacement star. I can hear Macmullen's relief. If we remove Rondo it would at least answer a lot of questions as to the direction of this team. If he isn't going to resign with us that is pretty much it.
|
|
eja117
CHIEF MODERATOR
I liked the Celts before I knew what they were beotch!
Posts: 12,598
|
Post by eja117 on Aug 31, 2014 20:09:02 GMT -5
if I have to decide between Jackie saying stuff off camera or Rondo saying stuff on camera.....I'm going with Rondo.
I definitely think Rondo and his agent have probably had an open and honest conversation with the Celts and that's why it's not going into a Kevin Love direction.
I'm a little surprised at this point that Houston hasn't offered some good stuff but I'm not sure they can give him a max contract.
I don't think Rondo gets everything he wants here. So he has to make decisions. The Thunder, Spurs, Cavs, and Bulls will not offer anything for him. Do the Rockets have the money to pay him what he wants? Then where does he go? Who is a contender at that point? The Trailblazers have Lillard. Decision time Rondo...what do you really want?
|
|
cfoo
Welcome To Celtics Green!
Posts: 1
|
Post by cfoo on Sept 1, 2014 7:51:41 GMT -5
I believe Jackie here. She's been wrong before. She had Lebron going back to Miami but it sounds like she is telling the truth. Like you say Agents play a part and everything in between. The Celtics are just as bad sometimes. If I player isn't deemed a fit and best case for that player is to move on to something else so be it. The Celtics have given no inclination up until this point that they had any intention but to build with Rondo and give him a fair shot though. They will let it play out because it's really in everyone's best interest to do so. Maybe Rondo is a jerk but this happens with every player due for a big pay day in Boston. The smear campaign goes on. It happened with Pierce too. Sometimes players stay sometimes they don't. I tend to think Rondo is all but gone at this point though. Probably before the season. We may still go into the season with him though and anythign can happen at that point. Indiana is a team that has some interest to me but not sure they would part with Hibbert or how much. Houston and Dallas has been mentioned. Wouldn't surprise me if a team like Charlotte would trade for Rondo. They have Kemba Walker and Gilchrist where we could swap Rondo and Green and maybe hope they take Gerald Wallace for filler in a deal. Take back filler players. With Smart I'm not sure we want kemba though.
Who knows the whole story though. I think Jackie Macmullen is usually pretty good. She's a fan and can be biased sometimes and makes stuff up that makes no sense. She's wanted Rondo gone for a while and wondering if she had some inside knowledge. Tanguay drives me nuts with the Rondo stuff because he harps on it so much and he's wrong 99 percent of the time. Better things to focus on then Rondo drama. If he isn't a good fit and it's best to go young I can buy that. It might very well be. Rondo wants a lot of money and might simply not fit the direction of this team.
I don 't really blame Rondo either. If he wants out at this point that's his priority and if the Celtics don't really want him either but won't say so I don't know what's going on there. I feel the same way as Ainge. I love Rondo. Still think he's a great pg. Would love to see it work out and think it can but for Rondo to stay there is reality and logic that tells me there are reasons why he might be a better fit elsewhere. He wants out. If that's true which I think it is there are probably reasons for that. I think it's part of the process. Pierce never came out and said he wanted out. It never got to that point. Rondo has. That's just further down the line.
Let the bidding begin I guess. Dallas and Houston step up. Maybe Aigne has something in the works with his friend Larry Bird. Maybe Michael Jordan wants him. Pairing Rondo, Green with Al J could be an interesting scenario.
|
|
cfoo
Welcome To Celtics Green!
Posts: 1
|
Post by cfoo on Sept 1, 2014 8:11:02 GMT -5
All in all Smart might be a better option. Rondo dominates the ball. He's not a shooter. Neither is smart overly but Rondo's defense has also suffered at times as he's aged. He hasn't shown he wants to lead this team either overly. I still have hopes he could be that, but he wants to be paid as a top pg and be surrounded by players of his caliber and he should. He wants out at this point. That's pretty much it. Is that Rondo's fault or the Celtics? I'm not sure fans overly wanted him either. We brought in evan turner. If we can't put a team around Rondo and Green going with smart and Turner and bringing them here in the first place was really smart on Ainge's part. Not the end all be all either. We'd still be in building mode. But a younger less expensive core for sure with guys like Sully and KO and Bradley. I tend to think Ainge can make a deal that would put us in good position regardless. We still aren't tanking. He wants a good deal for anything and fireworks are still possible where we can be in good position. Anything is possible even still as KG says. Patience is good though.
I think Jackie Mac is telling the truth though. I see no reason why she wouldn't be. She might be over dramatizing it somewhat. I'm usually pretty good at determining what is truth and what isn't. What she reported was hard news. It would be nice to get the real story earlier vs all the gossip but maybe these guys dnt know themselves. I do think it is a shame in ways if Rondo never fully bought into this thing for whatever reason. Always sucks losing a player like that. But fit wise he might just not fit with the younger group or direction of the team. The good news is it's probably in the best interest of both parties ultimately. I just hope it's handled the right way and the Celtics don't leave any stone unturned and that includes keeping Rondo. Rondo to me saying he wants out though is as close to the nail in the coffin as it can be without him actually being traded yet though. He's as good as gone without being gone yet.
|
|
cfoo
Welcome To Celtics Green!
Posts: 1
|
Post by cfoo on Sept 1, 2014 9:22:50 GMT -5
Marcus Smart is 20 years old and going to be special anyways. Smart, Bradley, Turner, Sully, KO that's a good young core to start and probably makes more sense anyways if the whole Rondo and Green thing and bringing in players to go with them wasn't going to work.
Still think there is hypocrisy out there though. People say Green wasn't giving his full effort. Or Rondo. If you knew your days were numbered regardless would your focus be like that? It's nice to be young and know a team wants you and building with you. Ultimately players are responsible for themselves but I think Green has been nothing but a consummate professional in his time here and has done what has been asked of him as far as improving. Same with Rondo for that matter. I watch the games and it's not like Sully is giving greater effort than green or rondo out there anyways. Some people just like Sully better. I can u nderstand why. But it's still no knock on these guys to me.
If Rondo manned up last year and Green would the Celtics have liked that? They were trying to get a better draft pick and it wasn't the focus of the team. Green was smart about it and just focused on his game and improving and being a part of the team when fans got on him. I think both guys have done what was asked of them in their time here. Minus Rondo's birthday incident which when you think about it is pretty understandable. Ultimately that's going to pay dividends for these guys and the Celtics one would think. It's why the Celtics can demand so much in a trade or build with these guys.
|
|
cfoo
Welcome To Celtics Green!
Posts: 1
|
Post by cfoo on Sept 1, 2014 10:36:34 GMT -5
bostonherald.com/sports/celtics_nba/boston_celtics/2014/08/rajon_rondo_agent_deny_trade_requestBoth Rondo and his agent are denying it. I figured this might happen because who the heck knows ultimately. Nothing surprises me anymore. These reporters say things that sound so concrete and it's still bs sometimes. I listen to it but it's the same thing with all this stuff. I'll believe when I see it. I still think when it comes down to it reporters can write about themselves and quote themselves and their unnamed sources when it's just their own brain and hype up Jackie macmullen and how great she is. I'm sure she is in her own way. But when it comes to basketball and making decisions Danny Ainge and me for that matter have more brains than most reporters ever will. I think Danny ainge understands things that the media doesn't and it's a shame that the team feels pressured that way or even buys into that stuff a lot of the time imo. I was listening to a good debate between Aigne and Macmullen just now on weei. Danny Ainge gets it. He says it himself he hates those debates about this guy has to be #1 or #2 or whatever. Most people don't think like that. Ainge understands the bigger picture more than anyone. He is unbiased that way and isn't driving some agenda and is much more fair in his evaluation and understands the value of different things from a team perspective. Macmullen is focused on that rondo is asking for the max. That doesn't mean either is lying or isn't trying to get to teh truth. It doesn't mean she doesn't have a point and isn't right either and it's wise to listen. But I'd still take Danny Ainge's word and ability to make the right decision over Jackie Macmullen any day. IT has nothing to do with Jackie being a girl or DA being a guy either. I feel that even moreso about Tanguay. I just think dAnny ainge's mind is in the right place and I hope he doesn't feel that pressure and sticks to the bigger picture and what's best for the celtics and isn't driven by agendas.
|
|
eja117
CHIEF MODERATOR
I liked the Celts before I knew what they were beotch!
Posts: 12,598
|
Post by eja117 on Sept 1, 2014 16:25:20 GMT -5
Maybe if GMs around the league are interested in trading for and signing Rondo they should just call Jackie Mac
|
|
cfoo
Welcome To Celtics Green!
Posts: 1
|
Post by cfoo on Sept 2, 2014 15:57:54 GMT -5
not overly questioning Jackie's integrity here but nothing surprises me anymore the stuff people think is reality. I don't know if she is jumping the gun and just putting her spin on it. It wouldn't surprise me if there is some frustration from rondo's camp and that he does want out in ways. Who knows. The way she said it she sounded like she had some inside knowledge and she might. The more I think about it, she isn't the GM of the team though. Reading the media sucks sometimes because some of these guys sound so convincing. It's usually best to scoff it off in ways. The boston media in general has some ego's. Sometimes their ego comes first before their brain. That's an understatement too. Felger last night was li ke give me one reason why rondo would want to be here. Over the top overly dramatized crap. Maybe if Felger feels that way felger shouldn't be here. If there is one thing I don't like about this area it's that.
It is kind of sad that I have to even say these things when the media's job is supposed to be to report the news. Instead I have to guess what the truth actually is. I would say my guess would be it's probably somewhere in between. There are some questions regarding rondo but the Celtics are not really prioritizing this stuff like the media is.
The more I listen to Jackie's comments the more it sounds like typical boston media frustration and flipping out over nothing.
|
|
eja117
CHIEF MODERATOR
I liked the Celts before I knew what they were beotch!
Posts: 12,598
|
Post by eja117 on Sept 2, 2014 21:15:40 GMT -5
Just to make sure I understand the premise here....the idea is either that Jackie was sitting on this huge nugget but just sat on it till she revealed it to these two guys for no reason or she was thinking "Hey it's off air so nothing I say matters. I can either tell these guys something interesting orrrrr I can say "Hey guys. I got nothin. I mean I just do not know""
I gotta go with the 2nd. She's good but she's a human being.
|
|
|
Post by freshnthehouse on Sept 2, 2014 23:20:35 GMT -5
What I find funny is how many people seemed shocked by this news. Rondo is a vet on a losing team. Lost teams and vets part ways all the time sports. Plus, we drafted a point guard with a lottery pick. The writing is on the wall.
|
|
cfoo
Welcome To Celtics Green!
Posts: 1
|
Post by cfoo on Sept 3, 2014 2:22:22 GMT -5
Just to make sure I understand the premise here....the idea is either that Jackie was sitting on this huge nugget but just sat on it till she revealed it to these two guys for no reason or she was thinking "Hey it's off air so nothing I say matters. I can either tell these guys something interesting orrrrr I can say "Hey guys. I got nothin. I mean I just do not know"" I gotta go with the 2nd. She's good but she's a human being. This is what I think too. She was put on the spot with someone saying you know who is next your guy. What the truth is though who knows. It's like if someone says to me now the cowboys stink. I usually agree because Jerry Jones is a moron and I wish he was gone. Back in 89 when they were 1-15 though if someone told me they stunk I'd fight it and tell them they just got troy aikman. And when the year after i'd bet them emmitt smith is going to be the all time leading rusher someday and take their money which actually happened... Guy never paid up and I didn't expect him to but he thought I was nuts for betting him on that. Jackie could have stuck up for Rondo though. I don't think Rondo is bad. She kind of threw him under the bus when not sure what Rondo has done that is so wrong. I'm not in the lockerroom though. Rondo isn't the end all be all or anything or Paul Pierce but the amount of flack he gets is a bit much. I'm not here saying god I hope so when it comes to Rondo I know that much. It might be for the best but Rondo has done some pretty good things here which outweigh the bad imo. Ultimately I don't trust what anyone says regardless of what they do. Jackie Mac is a good writer but she's been wrong before and I don't always agree with everything she says. There are smarter people out there than Jackie Mac and she's human. So is danny ainge for that matter, but I trust danny ainge moreso.
|
|
cfoo
Welcome To Celtics Green!
Posts: 1
|
Post by cfoo on Sept 3, 2014 2:38:41 GMT -5
Some people are delusional though. I remember a friend of mine who was a yankee fan was so convinced George brett never hit .390. he was absolutely convinved of it. He thought I was lying. Regardless of any facts that were presented to him I was still lying.
|
|
cfoo
Welcome To Celtics Green!
Posts: 1
|
Post by cfoo on Sept 3, 2014 2:49:36 GMT -5
I can see Ainge moving Rondo but he's not going to move him at the drop of a hat either. Jackie could even have some inside knowledge I can believe that. I sort of think he will be traded after what she said and all the rumors but I wouldn't say that with 100 percent certainty. I've seen it with too many players in boston where some guys are all but gone but go on to do well. In rondo's case I think it's probably different and we may build young and get rid of Rondo and Green. I don't think Ainge was fully on board with building around those guys. I think he tried but it wasn't his full intent.
I think Smart was brought in because the Celtics liked him. They brought in turner too and that could spell the end.
Doc Rivers wanted to fight rondo. Ray had issues with him as well. I don't think those are bad guys either. I think Rondo has some maturity issues and isn't as much a team player as it seems sometimes. All these guys are human though. People wanted to fight danny ainge. Probably why DA has hung onto Rondo so long. DA isn't perfect himself. DA was traded back then too.
|
|
cfoo
Welcome To Celtics Green!
Posts: 1
|
Post by cfoo on Sept 3, 2014 3:45:31 GMT -5
What I find funny is how many people seemed shocked by this news. Rondo is a vet on a losing team. Lost teams and vets part ways all the time sports. Plus, we drafted a point guard with a lottery pick. The writing is on the wall. I'm not shocked by it. It surprises me somewhat that Rondo would ask out and that that would go public. I'm actually not surprised Rondo and his agent would want out if Boston doesnt want him. Boston typically retains their players though or at least longer than most teams. Brady is the longest tenured quarterback in the nfl and has played his entire career with one team. Dustin Pedroia is another. David Ortiz has also been a staple there. Pierce was that here. There have been others they've traded and moved on from. Nomar was one of those guys that surprised me somewhat but injuries were an issue there. I think generally Boston doesn't follow other teams or go by what everyone else is doing. Just because other teams do it doesn't mean boston should either. There are a lot of mediocre teams out there. It might be better to let some players go. But even still being a follower never won anything. Times are changing though. Lebron is a follower in a lot of ways. But being a leader still should have some impact. That's also why I hope Ainge doesn't feel pressure or whatever. I dont' want the Celtics to become like everyone else. Smart drafting and roster moves is a big part of it too. But even still you want to lead the league you have to be a leader in some regard and separate yourself. San Antonio did it with Duncan and their ability to find players overseas. Miami won because they had Dwade and tried to copy our blueprint. The lakers had Shaq and Kobe. Dallas did things their way too. A lot of youn g teams are drafting well. We have a million draft picks. That's probably going to be our identity in some way and smart trading and signings. This was off the record and not sure it was supposed to go public that's the thing. Rondo and his agent are denying it too. Because I think that's the thing is this stuff isn't supposed to get out. I believe it in ways for that reason. Plus it makes sense the celtics would want to go young. I've actually compared rondo's situation to nomar's in the past so if he ends u p like that not that surprising. Typically the Celtics aren't going to trade someone unless all ducks are in a row though. I'll still believe it when I see because there have been players all but gone before that go on to having good careers here. I also think the Celtics are dealing with people and rondo is a 27 year old kid even still. It's nice how some people are, actually it isn't, but Ainge is still dealing with peoples lives. The guy makes a lot of money and people are like that's life but even still. Most people are aholes and wouldn't like to be treated that way themselves I bet if it came down to it. It's still his livelihood and some things should be handled certain ways.
|
|