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Post by FLCeltsFan on Aug 20, 2014 13:21:31 GMT -5
Evan Turner is not yet signed officially.
The Celtics can use a center
The Pacers need a point guard.
Danny and Larry are friends.
Roy Hibbert fell out of favor with the Pacers last season.
With George out, they could use a SF and Green is rumored to be shopped.
Rondo has been involved in almost every trade rumor for his entire career.
Could there be a possibility of a trade involving Evan Turner, Roy Hibbert, Rondo, and Green?
What do you guys think?
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Post by FLCeltsFan on Aug 21, 2014 9:33:20 GMT -5
For the record, I'm all for keeping Rondo. I want to give this young core a chance and I love Rondo. I don't think we should trade an All Star point guard just for the sake of trading him. But just putting a few of the rumors floating around together.
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Post by mev17 on Aug 21, 2014 14:59:24 GMT -5
Hi FL! Interesting musings; it would be interesting to see what besides Hibbert Indy could offer (a health Larry Bird would be nice, ha ha). I would assume it would include draft picks, but I would have to look at their roster to see what young players they may have to offer (I am assuming that this trade would mean we are in full "acquire future assets" mode).
Also, I read that Bavetta is retiring - isn't that the ref we are always complaining about?
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Post by FLCeltsFan on Aug 22, 2014 7:42:15 GMT -5
Yes, Bavetta was one of the worst. He often would make calls just to keep games close and he almost always had an agenda when calling games.
I remember one game where he was standing right on top of a play twice and didn't make the call but Tony Brothers, from across the court, made the correct call. Many refs wouldn't make the call from across the court to override another ref and so the call wouldn't be made.
I've often seen Bavetta ignore very obvious calls when he was staring right at the play. Maybe he was just too old, but he was bad for as long as I can remember.
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Post by cfoo on Aug 23, 2014 14:46:07 GMT -5
I've thought about this FL. Bird made a comment a while back that he appreciates the heck out of rondo and people ran with it. George going down just adds more fuel. When I think about it though Hibbert is up and down. There are other centers like Monroe that are going to be free agents next summer. Maybe Bird would try to keep indy in it in the interm with Rondo and Green but they can help us just the same. I'm still of the mode that the Celtics should develop their players and remain patient and this is what separates the Celtics from other teams in ways. Rondo, Bradley, Smart, Pressey, Green, Turner, young, Sully, KO, Zeller, Fav, Bass, etc is a good young nucleus to me. I can see us going into the season with Rondo and Bradley. We have Smart and Pressey and other sg's. Green and Turner. Sully and KO and Fav and Zeller with Bass mixed in there. I think that team can develop.
If we can put together a better nucleus I'm all ears but not sure we want to or have to trade Rondo for Hibbert to do that. Rondo for all intent and purposes is still a good player to build around. Depends where Fav and Zeller are in ways but i'd like to see what they can do. Stevens is also a good coach and has a lot of options for bigs as it stands. We have Bass and our big situation is kind of cluttered and some questions but we subtracted Humphries added Zeller. I'm not sure i'd force a trade for a center.
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Post by cfoo on Aug 23, 2014 15:02:36 GMT -5
Hibbert is a center and a good one. Comparing him to guys like Monroe and centers in the draft next year he's probably just as good an option. But Indy might be inclined to play things like the bulls for a bit. They can still compete as is. Losing George doesn't crush their chances. I also think head 2 head Rondo is a better player. He'd fit with either team. It would have to take something more and some reshaping of our roster like Mev was saying but even then we'd have to want to trade Rondo which i'm not sure I do.
Rondo shines when he has good players around him and can distribute the ball. Indy is a team like that but we can become that too in short order. Smart is the kicker because we may want to go with him ultimately but he's still very young can play multiple positions etc. I don't think having Smart forces our hand that we need to trade Rondo. it makes it interesting somewhat.
If indy still had Stephenson swapping Rondo and Green for Hibbert and Stephenson may have made some sense. They have George Hill. Moving Zeller for Mahinimi seems kind of redundant although Mahinimi is a better rim protector. Indy doesn't have much else. They have Rodney stuckey and guys like cj miles. I think if a deal were made it would be indy keeping Mahinimi and him taking hibberts spot. Keeping David west and going with Rondo, GReen and West. We'd get Hibbert and George hill or Miles or something like that or a 3rd team would be involved with us moving Green. Maybe move Favarani or Zeller to the pacers or something.
I think we have a better young nucleus than they do in ways. If we were to swap teams and they give us george and hibbert i wouldn't take that over what we have currently.
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Post by freshnthehouse on Aug 23, 2014 18:35:11 GMT -5
As most of you know, I am not opposed to moving Rondo, but only if it's the right deal. For me, this isn't the right deal. In a Rondo deal I want either a good young talent still on his rookie deal or a pick or two with potential to be lotto bound (or preferably both). Hibbert is neither of those things. And he seems to have motivation issues while playing on a playoff-caliber team. I cringe at what he may be like on a rebuilding team.
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Post by cfoo on Aug 23, 2014 22:38:35 GMT -5
I'm warming up to trading rondo because we have Marcus Smart. Is having a 2 pronged pg attack even possible? Both of them should be getting 30+ minutes a game in short order. Rondo costs 100 million, Smart doesn't. I just don't know if Smart is ready to hand the keys to him. I'm pretty comfortable with Pressey too. He looked good in Summer league and looks like he has come a ways. If we trade Rondo expiring contracts or a center is all well and good to me. I just don't know if we are at that point yet. Rondo is a really good player. He's not someone I want to trade overly.
There's no doubt to me that Smart is the real deal. He's a tough player and his shooting is going to improve. I sort of prefer him over Rondo in ways but Rondo is classically a distributer. I wonder if that can fit too and build with that where we aren't forced to deal him. Other Smart is going to be the guy and Rondo is going to be dealt.
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Post by Roadrunner on Aug 25, 2014 21:46:13 GMT -5
What a conspiracy theory? Had to love T Hardaway's comment, Knick Bavetta. Anyway, there were alot of bad zebras. Joey Crawford, Violet Palmer, Marc Davis. Tim Donahaughy.
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Post by FLCeltsFan on Aug 27, 2014 12:04:04 GMT -5
Ed Davis is one of the worst. He seems to have a vendetta against the Celtics and Rondo, in particular. I cringe when i see him on the roster for Celtics games.
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