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Post by cfoo on Jul 19, 2014 23:22:26 GMT -5
I never felt wiggins or parker were huge upgrades over him. If you watch them play and their style they are actually similar. Green is older and might not have the same upside but within a team and when not asked to do so much I think a really good season could be in store for him. To me with Green it's more about just becoming more solid in all facets of the game at this point. He took more shots than anyone last year in a down year which is good imo. Last year was the year to do that and hopefully it pays off in the longterm. I think with a healthy rondo and an improved Sully and KO and a lot of draft picks coming up we are in good position to add a piece somewhere. Green is a big key though. I still have a lot of hope for him. With Zeller and Thornton and Smart coming in more to be excited about here. I think the celtics are doing what they should be. One of this better games from last year, but he had it going this night. Had his ups and downs but with more experience and if the Celtics aren't expecting Green to carry us every night I think that will only help his confidence and consistency because that is what it's about with him. www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWDwPYZD2BwFans want fireworks. Guys like Heyward and Parsons were out there this offseason. Guys like Wiggins and Parker in the draft. I think Ainge was completely correct not forcing the issue there. We have a guy who really isn't that different. Wiggins and Parker would have been very young and rookies coming in. Heyward and Parsons are overpaid. From a team perspective Green is the better fit.
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Post by cfoo on Jul 19, 2014 23:33:24 GMT -5
Green is still not that far removed from heart surgery but may be fully back himself this year. He isn't a guy you want to give the ball to on the block and iso and become stagnant overly but if you watch those highlights from the pelican game he is constantly in motion and going up with his shot and it's falling. He can post up and has that game but you more want him being an option with motion. That's what i think is silly when people say these guys don't fit into stevens system. Watch those pelicans highlights because that is stevens motion offense in action with Green being the catalyst.
If you listen to people who know basketball they aren't down on green like that. The same goes with Rondo. Bill Simmons and guys like Tanguay are. These guys have also never played basketball in their lives and make a living off being drama clowns and how they have jobs is beyond me.
STevens has said the same things. It's about when they have success and when they don't. Last year was their first year together and they can still improve. Rondo is good in those highlights too because he hits Green in stride on several occasions. KO is also good getting up the floor.
We are beating up the pelicans here but the execution is there. It's more about whether we can raise that level and become more consistant. We are still missing pieces but Rondo and Green are still a good foundation to me.
Last year we had a lot of pieces and young guys and we would get stagnant at times. Shots wouldn't fall. We were young. Green people talk about his consistency he was actually one of our more consistant players last year. Probably the most consistant. He played in every game and had his ups and downs but so did everyone else. He still lead us in scoring.
He and Bass were probably our best players last y ear though. So let's trade that? I don't see where that makes sense overly or why that is the focus most people want on the internet. Marcus Smart and James Young are rookies and still very young. I wanted these guys and still don't see where it makes sense right now. I can understand wanting to build for the future but still doesnt make sense right now where Smart and Young may be as good as these guys someday. They needed help they drafted help at their positions where gaining consistency at those spots may come easier.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jul 20, 2014 0:11:22 GMT -5
It's not that Green doesn't haven't game -- he just doesn't have the mentality to bring his very best every game. He doesn't give it his all every game.
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Post by cfoo on Jul 20, 2014 0:21:51 GMT -5
The reasons for that can be many though that don't all have to do with Jeff Green. People said the same things about Pierce. Green is different but same thing still.
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Post by cfoo on Jul 20, 2014 0:23:30 GMT -5
Jgreen needs to step up and bring it every night but it's still a team game and has to do with where the team is at even still. Every player is still human in that regard. He's still learning himself. He's 27 years old. Stevens was a new coach last year.
It's like saying stevens sucks because he failed to get the most out of green and rondo last year. It's a team thing and circumstance even still. People like stevens but i remember listening to people talk about francona when the red sox were losing. They lost for a while. Francona was this that and this and a losing coach and people wanted him fired.
I don't sit here and say Stevens is a bad coach and we should get rid of him because we lost last year and say he really failed at getting the most out of these guys. Stevens didn't bring it every game last year either. That would sound ridiculous because it is. So is saying that about jeff green.
If you look at the numbers jeff green brought it more every night on this team than anyone else. He's the only player to play in every game and lead us in scoring. He needs to get better. So does everyone else.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jul 20, 2014 0:40:44 GMT -5
Doc, Brad, and Ainge all feel that Green can be better than he is. But they all have had to cool their expectations. This guy is just too inconsistent to be consistently terrific. Right now, he's a good player. He could be a terrific player who consistently scores in the 20's. But he has too many nights scoring in single digits.
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Post by cfoo on Jul 20, 2014 1:02:44 GMT -5
I don't expect him to be LeBron or Sully and be getting 10 rebounds a game and dishing out 10 assists. What we need from him is a solid scoring presence who can play off screens and movement and defend within the team defense. He might still need some more help though. Why I think turner might be good if Young isn't ready. CJ and Babb and we have Smart and Thornton but we could possibly use another guy there if Young isn't going to be ready this year.
Green to me is a good player. Could be very good with more consistency and that's what we want from the sf spot anyways. having another guy there to spell him might help if he struggles.
I think young was a good pick in thatregard. young guy with talent but he's 18. I don't think these guys overly affect rondo or green though.
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Post by cfoo on Jul 20, 2014 1:06:50 GMT -5
Green could become complacent and never improve and if that's the case it's time to deal him. We want him to step to that next level in ways. Not LeBron levels but be a good team oriented player for us who can score. Make big plays and winning plays as a finisher and defender.
we were a losing team last year. he had his moments in crunch time but also didn't. he also has to gain more consistency from game to game. having a player to help there is good to me.
I still don't know what ainge is going to do with all these draft picks. Why im more focused on that. We could use Love at pf. Or trade off Green and Rondo and build through the draft but that stuff is such an unknown at this point. I listen to the media and I so get the feeling they are running with scissors with that stuff at this point lol. Jim Mora, they think they know but they just don't know.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Jul 20, 2014 5:18:55 GMT -5
With his talent level, if he had the competitive fire, he could average in the 20's, and pull down 6 boards. The guy has All-Star talent. But he's missing the fire in his belly.
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Post by Roadrunner on Jul 20, 2014 9:25:59 GMT -5
Green, if you surround him w/ excellent players, would be a much different player than when you surround him w/ developing players. He will never be the so called man, and I think that is what gets fans upset because he can have an "A" game followed by 3 consecutive less than "A" games.
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Post by eja117 on Jul 20, 2014 20:55:27 GMT -5
No. What bothers me about J Green is him constantly being outrebounded by much smaller players. Iman Shumpert made him his (censored). JG just doesn't want it. He's a wussy little wimp
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Post by Roadrunner on Jul 21, 2014 20:46:32 GMT -5
No. What bothers me about J Green is him constantly being outrebounded by much smaller players. Iman Shumpert made him his (censored). JG just doesn't want it. He's a wussy little wimp Rondo could out rebound Green too.
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