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Post by derrenattheoffice on Jul 18, 2014 9:39:03 GMT -5
Whereas it seems everyone wants to team up with Lebron, maybe not many want to play with Rajon. Jeff Goodman, reporter for ESPN, says players he has talked to around the league have said they don't want to play with Rondo.
Of course, this guy doesn't seem to like Rondo much.
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Post by kval1441 on Jul 18, 2014 9:45:20 GMT -5
RR has had issues at every level. Not a surprise in my mind.
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Post by derrenattheoffice on Jul 18, 2014 10:28:28 GMT -5
He went on to say (Jeff Goodman) that you can even talk to his former coaches.
The implications are Rajon rubs guys the wrong way (just ask Ray Allen).
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Post by freshnthehouse on Jul 18, 2014 13:45:48 GMT -5
I think it's tough to compare Rondo vs LeBron. Rondo is a fine player and all, but LeBron is the best basketball player on the planet. Rondo is not leading a team to title. This is why I don't think Ainge made a godfather-type deal for KLove. A two-headed monster of Rondo and Love probably doesn't get you 50 wins, let alone a trip to the finals.
IMO we still need to be patient and find a team desperate for a marquee name and get a good haul in a Rondo trade.
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Post by derrenattheoffice on Jul 18, 2014 14:41:05 GMT -5
And so far the best haul we've been offered was the Sacramento package of Thomas, McLemore, the 8th pick, etc. Apparently, that wasn't enough for Ainge's liking.
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Post by freshnthehouse on Jul 18, 2014 15:33:21 GMT -5
And so far the best haul we've been offered was the Sacramento package of Thomas, McLemore, the 8th pick, etc. Apparently, that wasn't enough for Ainge's liking. I still doubt that that trade was truly on the table. First off, it doesn't work salary-wise, and I can't imagine DA wouldn't have jumped at it.
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Post by Roadrunner on Jul 18, 2014 18:14:22 GMT -5
Not sure. I think Allen's issue w/ Rondo was that Allen thought Rondo disrepected him.
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Post by eja117 on Jul 18, 2014 20:03:43 GMT -5
Whereas it seems everyone wants to team up with Lebron, maybe not many want to play with Rajon. Jeff Goodman, reporter for ESPN, says players he has talked to around the league have said they don't want to play with Rondo. Of course, this guy doesn't seem to like Rondo much. Not buying it at all. Ray Allen is just a little sissy traitor (censored). Do players really look like they're suffering so much out there when Rondo is handing out like 13 assists? Do they look so sad when he's playing tremendous defense? What next? Players don't want to play with Tom Brady? Melo begged for like 2 years to have Rondo. Not buying it at all. Not at all. Hey...Jeff Goodman....names bro. Names. Oh. You don't have names? That's cause you're a lying (censored).
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Post by cfoo on Jul 18, 2014 20:13:58 GMT -5
most people are delusional eja and don't realize they are.
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Post by freshnthehouse on Jul 18, 2014 21:43:36 GMT -5
Once Josh Smith ends up in Sacto, they are going to be pining for Rondo.
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Post by cfoo on Jul 18, 2014 23:08:50 GMT -5
I think it's timing more than anything. If you are Kevin Love and can play with Lebron or Rondo or Minny and can get Wiggins it's more just guys doing what is in their best interests. I don't think it has anything to do with rondo personally. The same goes for the Celtics if they could put a team around rondo that was the best for the Celtics they would. I don't think there is any rush to trade him for that reason. I don't think it has anything to do with rondo personally. I don't belive the he said/she said stuff either. Jeff Goodman talks around the league. I'm sure there are players that like rondo and don't and that could be said about anyone really. He goes looking for it he's going to find it. He's a reporter and has done the work that serves him and given him some value in his life. He still isn't danny ainge or the guy running the Celtics or the one making the decision.
It's like that kg thing to me. DA has repeatedly stated that the Celtics love rondo and aren't trying to deal him. doctors were eating before the team. KG asked them not to do that because the team comes first. They did it again he took the plate out of the doctors hand and threw it on the ground. Most people have jumped the shark anyways and what's going on between the Celtics and rondo is something else entirely.
If rondo gets moved it has nothing to do with him personally. It's just the timing of it and what's in the best interest of the Celtics at that time and rondo. Right now it isn't. There really is no reason to trade rondo. He's a top pg and can draw free agents. There just aren't any out there worthwhile and the ones that are have potentially better options.
Teams want rondo. Sac does. Houston has tried as well. But according to ainge the Celtics have not gone into any substantial trade talks regarding rondo. Ainge said the only time he ever offered rondo in a trade was for chris paul. Teams call. the Celtics listen. It might be in their interest ultimately but there haven't been any substantial talks as of yet. The Sac rumor was a bunch of baloney by Donny Marshall and guys like Bill Simmons ran with it. Marshall said it was going to happen. Fresh said Love wouldn't be traded until next offseason. That might be the case. Minny is being smart and not going to move love either until all ducks are in a row.
The difference is Rondo isn't even at that point yet. He still wants to be here. He hasn't asked out. That doesn't mean he wont be traded but it has nothing to do with rondo overly. He wants to win. He wants DA to put a team around him that can do that. Whether we can do that remains to be seen. DA isn't going to force that for the shortterm though. He drafted. He played it smart himself and made the right moves and so is rondo for that matter and time will tell.
Sac will probably come back with something but it still depends on if Ainge wants to trade Rondo which he doesn't right now. That's the truth. Goodman is a reporter. DA is the GM.
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Post by cfoo on Jul 18, 2014 23:14:21 GMT -5
There are only so many players worthwhile in the league. Lebron is probably a bigger draw. The Celtics and boston have never drawn free agents anyways. It's why just getting the roster in order and doing what Ainge is doing is smart because he's just doing what is best. It could take a year. It could take 3 years. It might take 5. Rondo is still a top pg and might run out of patience but he hasn't yet.
KG and Ray were rare because of the situation at the time and they were still traded for. We've neve rhad the weather or tax breaks. Why the draft is important and a lot of things like holding our own players. We haven't had the top pick even.
We still manage to win because we are smarter than most teams though and work at it and try to do the right things ultimately. There's no mystery to it either. The Celtics don't have to trade Rondo and there is no pressure to do that. Most of these guys are team players and trying to do what is best ultimately.
I still hope Rondo stays myself because he's a great player and even if it can't be done this offseason it's not the end of the world for him. It might come down to that where moving on from him might be best, but I hope they remain dilligent.
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Post by cfoo on Jul 18, 2014 23:50:25 GMT -5
If Rondo were a problem he would have been traded. He hasn't been for this long because the positives regarding him far outweigh the negatives. DA knows his value to this team and moving forward with him is in our best interest. Danny Ainge works with Rondo every day and probably k nows rondo better than goodman. Goodman might be a good guy and trying to do what's right himself but he probably isn't as smart or in the know as Danny Ainge.
If we ever attract free agents its going to be because we are a good destination to play with rondo or without. Pierce and KG never scoffed at playing with Rondo.
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Post by cfoo on Jul 19, 2014 0:24:40 GMT -5
Losing is a free agent repellant though for sure. If you look at any team that got any player of value they were a playoff team. Hayward signed with Charlotte. A team he thinks he could be a missing piece on and a young growing team. That could be us sans rondo someday but they were still a playoff team. The same goes for Miami with bosh and wade. Cleveland with Lebron now. Players need to have a reason to go there. The same happened with KG once we got Ray Allen. If the Celtics are doing well with or without rondo and players see this as a place where they can win and be a part of something they will come here. Parsons with Dallas too. All playoff teams.
If Goodman thinks we get rid of rondo and players are going to be banging down the doors to come here he is wrong. You have to build it. Players weren't wanting to go to Cleveland before Lebron got there. It has nothing to do with Rondo
Charlotte could actually be a good model for us if we plan to draft well and add a couple key free agents down the road. Not giving Rondo a lump sum may make sense in that regard but it would more be financial than anything personal against rondo or how Goodman is spinning it. The thing is I think there is still potential rondo could fit into that why there has been no decision on trading him so far. It's also why this is a big year for him potentially. Rondo needs to become a leader and a part of this team or not and he has yet to do that. He went through the lumps a bit last year but this coming year is telling in ways, where he's at this summer, how he responds etc. It still depends on all of that come the end of this period or whatever, what is out there, where rondo is at etc. He could be moved this summer but the Celtics have not made that decision to do that as of yet. It has nothing to do with anything else.
What goodman said is more of the same smear campaign. Rondo costs too much. Players don't want to play with him. What else is new. Nothing new there. So what Jeff Goodman is telling me is what I've heard before. I heard the rumors were going to heat up too. More of the same. Houston really has nothing to offer us. It is possible Ainge just likes rondo and is fine keeping him.
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Post by cfoo on Jul 19, 2014 2:02:24 GMT -5
I wasn't huge on parsons but they have other small forwards I like. I actually really liked Terrence jones. Something doesn't jive there though. If da really wanted parsons you'd think he could have had him since Houston didn't reup him. Maybe owners change their minds and are that skittish but you'd think Ainge could have had parsons if he wanted him.
The reason given in the media at the time was that the Rockets didn't want to part with Parsons. So again integrity missing somewhere there. Maybe it was a financial thing and they wanted to let him go to clear cap space but even still. What is being reported and what is really going on is something else.
The same goes for that sac rumor. You seem to think these are great deals. If they are trying to get rondo you'd think they would have offered it. I don't think these are great deals and glad they were rejected if they were offered. They also offered us Mclemore for the 6th pick supposedly which was for Smart. Again glad it was rejected.
Point being is something doesn't jive with peoples logic. If ainge is looking for a monster deal for rondo it still has to match up and those deals would have filled that need of trying to be charlotte and a team that is doing that. If those teams were pining for rondo, which people seem to think, they would have offered up something.
I also don't think it's because Rondo's value is that low around the league. I think Ainge is more fine just keeping him. Teams need to position themselves to deal for him or whatever.
Rondo has a big year this year teams might come back and not be as skittish like is being reported, but the same goes for a lot of things. Rondo has a good year it could still go a lot of directions.
That sac rumor was all but done according to the media months ago. So was the asik deal. Melo was going to the bulls a month ago. Kevin Love in golden state. Embiid was sliding to us and we were drafting him. And im supposed to believe these guys? They talk to people around the league and still report stuff like that. Owners and GM's might be this or that and positioning themselves but the media still reports that stuff and the way they do, there is no reason to believe any of it after the stuff I've read because they aren't very good at reporting what is really going on. When it comes to speculating they are even worse. I could understand if they were right every so often but they aren't. Saying they aren't very good is an understatement as well. This stuff is not rocket science like people make it out to be either. There is no reason to move Rondo right now. It has nothing to do with him personally either. It's in the Celtics best interests to keep him as other things open up or whatever. If we deal him there has to be a reason to do that that makes sense. Matching contracts all that stuff doesn't necessarily serve the purpose we want it to. Rondo also can still be a good player for us and Ainge is not going to move him until all that falls into place. He has no agenda in that regard. Rondo might be at a state where the Celtics are best served moving on from him later this summer if he isn't going to fit with these guys depending on his mental state or whatever but everything seems to be going well with him right now. Ainge explores thigns but the reasons for it and how the media reports it are two completely different things.
KG and Paul gave Rondo good advice imo saying Rondo is a brother to them and that Rondo has had them but he should go through the losing and see how it goes. It might not happen in a year. I th ink that's good advice for rondo because he can still mature as a leader. We aren't even at that point yet. Maybe it will get to that point where the Celtics are best off moving him but from li stening to ainge he's reiterated the same things that he still sees rondo going through that process and is hopeful. I think Ainge has a mature unbiased attitude in that regard where he is ultimately just going to do what's best and if at some point he feels like it's time to move on he will. I think he constantly gauges those things and has a good feel for that and explores different things and is ultimately going to do what's best. If teams want to try to position themselves to trade for him so be it but the intent isn't to trade rondo right now. I think Ainge is pretty honest in that regard and will explore those things and talks with other gm's and there is always that possibility but they aren't even there yet. I think DA is more focused on the fact they have a great pg though and there isn't that whatever coming from within the Celtics organization. they have him under contract. They don't have to trade him. There is no pressure to do that. What's in the best interest of the Celtics is that too to be more focused on that and making it work.
Worst case is Rondo walks away at the end of his contract which puts us in that position anyways vs taking players back that have to supply some need. It's actually better than taking plaeyrs back that don't. If it comes down to financial reasons or salary there is no pressure on Ainge to make a trade. The Celtics working things out with Rondo and keeping him is still just as good as anything. The twolves might get Wiggins and additional picks for Kevin love. That makes sense because it's actually something of value. the twolves are still holding love because they don't have to trade him.
When brad stevens got here the consensus was Rondo wouldn't last two weeks. That way of thinking doesn't say much for Brad Stevens as a coach or the Celtics for that matter. It does say where the media's focus is though.
I don't think there is a distaste for plaeyrs not wanting to play with rondo. I think there is a trend developing where players in that age group teams might not want to pay maximum salary for. Love wants to play with Lebron. I'd guess he'd be ok with playing with rondo too. Rondo isn't paul Pierce though. Different generations and a lot of players from that generation are kind of like that. They aren't necessarily Kevin Garnett or a guy like that at this point in their careers.
I don't think that is the intent though. I don't think when you have a player like Rondo the intent is to lose him. If the Celtics can fit him in somewhat that's what they are trying to do. Not being able to pay players and keep them is not the target.
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