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Post by cfoo on Jul 11, 2014 18:24:49 GMT -5
Listening to tanguay he is saying it means trade Rondo which of course it does lol, but I don't think so. Still like DA a lot but he does have all these chips and not a whole lot to spend it on and I'm not saying it's a flawed plan. We can maneuver and get the players we want ultimately in the draft etc. But I do wish the Celtics would get back to what made them a successful team in the first place. It's a different game nowadays with free agency and everything where you have to be ready to pounce but at the same time I don't think so so much. What separated the Celtics back in the day was that they were really talented taems but they were able to beat the Wil Chamberlains of the world and play the underdog because they had something else besides just talent. They were deep teams and had the right kinds of talent and complimented each other well but also had that toughness and drive and something more to play for as a team sometimes. DA has all these chips. Very different than what Red would have done but I still hope we start to build a team here in ways. It's the only way we are going to beat teams like Cleveland. Even if we go young and get lucky in the draft what is going to separate us is something else.
I hear these stories about the Red Sox lowballing Jon Lester and it gets old after a while. This team has won the past several years but still scoffs at players and I've always felt that is a mistake in ways. The pats won, they haven't won since because they failed to pay guys that were important to their success. The Celtics did a lot of the same things in 08 and I hope DA gets this.
The Celtics have always been different than other teams and its more than just names and dollars and cents.
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Post by cfoo on Jul 11, 2014 18:27:59 GMT -5
Glad to hear Isiah Thomas is going to the suns too. Trading Rondo for that would have been stupid. We aren't done dealing yet though. Where Red and Ainge are similar is they are both patient and aren't stupid enough to trade away good talent unless you are getting something better that fits into the bigger scheme of things
Tough to do in todays nba what I'm talking about though. Players have all these opportunities and choices players didn't have back then. Teams back then had one choice to win or sink and the Celtics chose to win. Players might have been tougher back then because of it too.
I think as an organization the Celtics can still do that though and just tune out this other stuff and concentrate on their own players and team and philosophy. Not many teams these days really have that philosophy or mindset that separates themselves or identity. The lakers had showtime. The Celtics were something else and had their own identity. A lot of it was because of that. The nba today really lacks that in ways and is more generic.
This is a great time to do that imo and create something that way with Lebron going to Cleveland because we have time.
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Post by Roadrunner on Jul 12, 2014 9:23:48 GMT -5
I think it means that BOS next championship run will be at the tail end of James' career.
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Post by cfoo on Jul 12, 2014 9:53:19 GMT -5
I don't think Lebron is this unbeatable force like people make him out to be. He hasn't exactly dominated the league minus media hype. He's done really well but he had the best team money could buy in Miami and still lost to the spurs and mavericks which were teams people didn't expect to win or even be there at that point. People had kind of given up on them years b efore. SA was too old. The mavs were the same thing and bounced back.
If the Celtics just do their own thing we can compete. We still may get Kevin Love for all we know right now. Seems like a longshot but that stuff isn't over yet. I think even with Sully and KO we have good pieces and a ton of picks coming up to draft or make moves.
In ways I hope we stick with our guys because Kevin Love isn't necessarily the answer either.
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Post by cfoo on Jul 12, 2014 9:56:42 GMT -5
Lebron to me is still just a basketball player and can be beaten if teams really want to beat him. I think when players get caught up in LeBron gazing themselves is when they don't. Rondo did that a few years ago. It's going to take a bunch of smart driven players though and a good team.
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Post by nateval on Jul 12, 2014 10:05:33 GMT -5
Lebron is 29 and has been to 4 straight finals he has single handedly shifted the power in the east. I give Lebron credit the guy is great. He will end up one of the greatest players when everything is all said and done
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Post by nateval on Jul 12, 2014 10:08:49 GMT -5
If you're a team in the east you have to look at the Cavs and say what players can we acquire to compete with a team like that.
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Post by cfoo on Jul 12, 2014 10:12:06 GMT -5
He is a great player but he's not unbeatable though. This is where DA worries me a bit though is he is hedging that line between just being another talented team or being what separates the Celtics ultimately and what makes the Celtics great. You need talent and all of that but the Celtics have always had that and something else too which separates them from other teams. It's also what separated the spurs and mavs from the heat when they beat them in different ways. The heat just got together that first year they didn't have the same chemistry or drive the mavs did that year. They were expecting to win. The spurs were the same thing and were on a mission this year after losing last year.
The spurs didn't fold up shop because they lost the year before. They came back even better. I think with the Celtics it's going to take some patience and not forcing anything overly but starting to create that chemistry is important at some point regardless of the names we have.
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Post by cfoo on Jul 12, 2014 10:14:45 GMT -5
there is still going to be a lot of movement on this roster but chemistry sometimes starts during tough times. Pierce was that for us. Perk also stepped in as a leader. Stuff like that needs to start showing up at some point vs just becoming a revolving door.
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Post by cfoo on Jul 12, 2014 10:27:58 GMT -5
Hard to guage but competitive wise LeBron got ahead of himself that first y ear. Came back beat the thunder and SA. SA came back and beat them. Just shows there are other good teams out there. Lebron is probably going to come back and be on a mission now that he lost but that gives us some time to put things together. There's no telling how Cleveland is going to work out either. It's not set in stone that Lebron is now going to win 5 in a row. He's going about it right that it's now a process and is going to be on a mission but whether he can sustain that remains to be seen.
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Post by nateval on Jul 12, 2014 10:38:35 GMT -5
Overnight the addition of Lebron has changed Clevland from being a non playoff team to the favorite to win in the east
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Post by cfoo on Jul 12, 2014 10:48:39 GMT -5
This is why I hope ainge holds off making any major moves this offseason. It will give KO and guys like Smart and Sully a chance to grow. Might be a blessing in the long run. Depends on how good KO is though. Kevin Love is young too but KO looks pretty good. DA is probably a better evaluator of talent than I am though. Who has that crystal ball on guys like KO vs a guy like Kevin Love. If Kevin Love is better we should still trade for him. He's young but letting these young guys develop some chemistry isn't bad either. Either way really. Love is 26 years old. KO is 23. Not a huge difference.
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Post by cfoo on Jul 12, 2014 10:52:59 GMT -5
I don't think trading for Kevin Love is a no brainer in that regard. Love puts up h uge numbers. KO was putting up 17 and 7 in the last month of his rookie year. Sully has had moments like that too where he puts up 18 and 10. Love can put up 24 and 15 like nothing. It's not all stats though. If we get better pieces elsewhere they might do alright.
If we can get kevin love I think we should do it under the right circumstance, but if we don't not the end of the world either.
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Post by cfoo on Jul 12, 2014 10:58:22 GMT -5
Wiggins has been assured he wont be traded by the cavs so DA sticking to his guns is smart in that regard. I don't think Cleveland is unbeatable. They are the favorites and with the right moves are going to be very good but we still have rondo and some good young players and tons of picks. The cavs turned it around pretty quick and so can we if we make the right moves.
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Post by nateval on Jul 12, 2014 11:03:44 GMT -5
Love is a great player but the two reasons I don't want him is because it will cost a kings ransom and I like both our PF that position is set as far as I'm concerned. The second is I don't think adding Love makes you a contender. This team needs to build long term from the bottom
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