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Post by cfoo on Apr 21, 2014 19:34:22 GMT -5
if durant keeps losing he may want out of okc eventually. that would be our next hope. thats like hoping tim duncan would come here to me though after we missed out on duncan.
DA could just be playing the politician and saying he's trying to make the big move but hold your horses. That's possible.
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Post by cfoo on Apr 21, 2014 19:39:22 GMT -5
danny ainge "we're certainly going to try to set off some fireworks. You bet." Thanks Danny...
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Post by freshnthehouse on Apr 21, 2014 19:47:36 GMT -5
he had to go out and draft perk and jefferson and delonte, gomes, tony allen etc. it took time to do that. he has already done that with sully, and ko and bradley etc. We are still a year or two away from having that collection of young talent. I like both Sully and KO, but they are from being the kind of prospect that Big Al was. Big Al put up 16ppg, 11rpg, and 1.5bpg with over 50%fg when he was 21/22. Sully and KO haven't put up close to those kind of numbers on an equally bad team. That 06/07 team had Rondo and Perk locked up for multiple years on cheap contracts. Gerald Green was still consider a promising prospect at this time. Delonte was a big part in the Ray Allen trade. Gomes and Telfair also had some value, while Tony Allen became an important part of the rotation in the first few years of the the big 3 era. right now we have Sully, KO, and Bradley (who is up for a new contract). I don't think it compares.
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Post by cfoo on Apr 21, 2014 19:47:55 GMT -5
if you listen to that interview it seems pretty clear that he is very open to trading their pick and doesn't see a huge difference between 1-5. he goes into detail of trading that pick for an allstar caliber player and says its definately a possibility but depends on what is out there. Also talks about humphries and how they could resign him and use him in a sign and trade and the celtics have a lot of options. So it depends. Sounds to me like if love is available ainge would make that trade though.
It sounds like he is looking at the draft indirectly to me though and as far as value and how it may affect trades.
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Post by nateval on Apr 21, 2014 19:51:20 GMT -5
I could see Love in Phoenix they have good weather (west coast guy) a pretty good young team without him, cap room and assets to trade. Phoenix is a Kevin Love away from being a really good young team IMO.
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Post by freshnthehouse on Apr 21, 2014 19:56:57 GMT -5
if durant keeps losing he may want out of okc eventually. that would be our next hope. thats like hoping tim duncan would come here to me though after we missed out on duncan. That may be the case, but I hope not. It is kind of refreshing to see a modern-day superstar that doesn't need to play in a major city. It's also nice to see a player that is not obsessed about expanding his "brand." They got something special going in OKC, it's just a shame their owners wouldn't pony up and keep Harden. I think this has a lot to do with what the C's brass is saying. We live in a society today where people need everything ASAP. They know this, so they are going to sugarcoat (a nice way of saying "lie") the future in order to keep selling hope to the fanbase. Heck, even Wyc, who is always a cheerleader for big moves, has been saying that we need to stay patient. I think that is telling.
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Post by freshnthehouse on Apr 21, 2014 19:58:12 GMT -5
I could see Love in Phoenix they have good weather (west coast guy) a pretty good young team without him, cap room and assets to trade. Phoenix is a Kevin Love away from being a really good young team IMO. I would love to see that. I've always had a soft spot for PHX. They have built a lot of good teams over the years, but have never been able to get over the hump. If Amare is healthy in 2006 I bet they win it all. That fanbase deserves a winner.
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Post by cfoo on Apr 21, 2014 20:13:27 GMT -5
ainge sounds pretty optimistic. he also doesn't sound like he is building through the draft at least directly. ainge is usually pretty truthful to my knowledge. he may play the pr guy somewhat but usually w hat he says happens for the most part. him saying this stuff as pr doesn't make a lot of sense to me and if this team is going to be a winner sooner rather than later like it sounds something is going to happen. I just can't think of anyone other than love or who that wo uld be. Until it happens there is going to be uncertainty.
It has to be good trades. It has to be good for the long term. It has to be something with the intent to win a championship. There are only so many trades you can make that fit all that criteria.
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Post by cfoo on Apr 21, 2014 20:29:26 GMT -5
it would seem kind of odd to me for ainge to pan this draft, say he would trade the pick then expect fans to be excited about it. plus i kind of agree with him. this draft is kind of overrated and im not sure where the value is in bringing in a player like that then trying to sell this player to the fans and other teams as our future when it's not?
ainge basically just said how much he appreciates honesty and tries to be as honest as possible in a radio interview and said he would trade our pick whether we got 1-5 and that he doesnt see a huge difference in how it affects us just value as far as trades.
and that he isn't going to do things for pr reasons. If that isnt bluntness but yet people still think you are lying i dont know what is. It has to be good trades though and for our future and with the intent to win a championship. He doesnt know for sure that he can make that move but he sounds pretty confident as one could be when something hasn't happened yet.
I think i'm hearing what ainge said correctly.
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Post by cfoo on Apr 21, 2014 21:00:51 GMT -5
if it so happens we can't make moves then so be it and we have to wait out a young player but like danny is saying the intent is to go into the offseason with the intent of making something special to happen. Ainge seems to be talking up the scenario moreso than usual here. he's also saying he doesnt want another losing season. so he's either being a really good pr guy or is seriously looking to move the pick.
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Post by cfoo on Apr 21, 2014 21:20:55 GMT -5
boston.cbslocal.com/2014/03/19/wyc-grousbeck-exciting-june-in-store-as-celtics-hope-to-become-free-agent-destination/here is wyc's interview. talks about what the celtics did last time and how the celtics are going to do it again. talks about playing the kids and getting a coach in here. compares sully to big al. says sully eats too much. talks about how one player can turn a franchise on a dime if you can create the kind of atmosphere where a player is going to want to come to. wyc more sounds like he wants something big to happen. DA is more cautious but both sound optimistic. The celtics want to build around Rondo and young players and a superstar. It might take a year but i dont see who we could be targetting besides love honestly. i think the chances of it happening sooner rather than later are likely as well. Wyc says we hav the potential for an exciting june. We are further along than before. His response to not trading Sully at the end was telling. Mazz..... this is what annoys me/i love about fans though is the celtics may keep sully just to appease the fans. wouldn't surprise me. sully is a fan favorite. as far as his shooting percentages and defense this last year they weren't very good. he's slow. he's lead footed. can't get his shot off against bigger defenders. He can rebound though and is a celtic for life. fans will trade rondo and pierce and all our best players and hate making deals to get us a championship. but trade sully. hell no. In sully's case this might be a good thing. He can rebound and the celtics have him expanding his range where i can see him being a quality piece who can make clutch plays. Sometimes it good. Sometiems its bad. I like sully too so I tend to think the love for sully is good.
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Post by Roadrunner on Apr 21, 2014 22:06:11 GMT -5
I could see Love in Phoenix they have good weather (west coast guy) a pretty good young team without him, cap room and assets to trade. Phoenix is a Kevin Love away from being a really good young team IMO. I would love to see that. I've always had a soft spot for PHX. They have built a lot of good teams over the years, but have never been able to get over the hump. If Amare is healthy in 2006 I bet they win it all. That fanbase deserves a winner. Two words: Robert Sarver. PHX deserves a loser.
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Post by freshnthehouse on Apr 21, 2014 22:59:10 GMT -5
Hey now, you can't blame the fan base for the owner. We've had to suffer through a bad owner before (Paul "Thanks Dad!" Gaston) and we all know how miserable that can be. That fan base deserves a new owner as well.
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Post by cfoo on Apr 22, 2014 13:19:30 GMT -5
I think if Ainge can piece it all together getting love would be good. We might have to wait until next offseason. We have Green, Sully, KO, Fav. I dont think rondo is dealt for some reason. I'd like to build around him. the plan to me is to get this team to championship caliber by the time rondo is approaching 30 and up for contract where he will resign imo. I dont think he is dealt this soon unless the celtics are really pigeonholed and are forced to go another direction.
if i could piece together this draft id get wiggins, parker or embiid and look to add a guy like love to that. keep sully potentially. even ko. maybe try to deal green, wallace, fav and picks for love. we might be forced to give up ko or sully in that deal though. depending on who we draft too embiid or wiggins/parker green would be expendable or not. Continue to kick the tires on Asik. Bass, humphries all these guys are up for trade.
i dont see why the celtics couldnt accelerate the process this offseason possibly though as well. Unless Kahn is just being a you know what.
if we can't get love, KO/Sully is a nice plan B and we just have to keep building that way and hoping we can get a big time free agent some other way. There is no reason to force the issue overly. Love is somewhat a special case imo though. There are only so many players like him who may come available.
That's my plan and I'm sticking to it.
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