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Post by DERRENMATTS on Aug 13, 2009 0:29:51 GMT -5
I don't think Powe is like that. He doesn't strike me as a guy who holds grudges--he's the type of guy who flows with the punches (but never gets knocked out).
I think Powe left because CLE was offering a longer contract. I think Ainge honestly wanted to keep him, but he wasn't going to offer him a long term contract because he doesn't trust Powe's knees.
Powe is just moving on. I'd think that if Golden State offered him a 3 year contract, he would have signed with them. So its not that he's trying to get back at us.
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Post by cfoo on Aug 13, 2009 0:40:08 GMT -5
I think he uses things as motivation. He's an undersized dude and has something to prove. Don't kid yourself. A friend of mine knows him and he is very much about proving something.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Aug 13, 2009 0:45:14 GMT -5
Yeah, I can see him motivating himself by saying, "I'm going to show Ainge". But I don't think he chose to go to CLE because he sees them as a team who he will face in the playoffs.
Like I said, he may have gone to Memphis, or Portland, if they offered him a contract like the one CLE did.
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Post by freshnthehouse on Aug 13, 2009 0:56:42 GMT -5
Yeah, I can see him motivating himself by saying, "I'm going to show Ainge". But I don't think he chose to go to CLE because he sees them as a team who he will face in the playoffs. Like I said, he may have gone to Memphis, or Portland, if they offered him a contract like the one CLE did. I'd say playing for a team that will meet Boston in playoffs was pretty big factor for him. If another team would've offered more money, that would be another matter. But will all things being equal, he wanted to go to a winner in the East and have a chance to meet up against Boston. I know I'd want to if I was him.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Aug 13, 2009 19:52:01 GMT -5
Ainge said we offered him the same type of deal that CLE did--but he chose to go with CLE anyways.
It sounds like he was hurt that he wasn't given a qualifying offer--that he felt unwanted here.
But Ainge wants Powe, and fans, to know that he did want Powe. What he wanted to do was sign Powe to a contract when Leon was healed and ready to play basketball again.
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Post by Roadrunner on Aug 13, 2009 22:06:49 GMT -5
If the rumor that Powe wanted to stay East to stick it to BOS, 3-years of credibility will be thrown away. Can you blame him? Yes, Danny gave him first-round money, and length for a player that had previously blew out both knees.
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Post by Roadrunner on Aug 13, 2009 22:10:03 GMT -5
Ainge said we offered him the same type of deal that CLE did--but he chose to go with CLE anyways. It sounds like he was hurt that he wasn't given a qualifying offer--that he felt unwanted here. But Ainge wants Powe, and fans, to know that he did want Powe. What he wanted to do was sign Powe to a contract when Leon was healed and ready to play basketball again. Interesting. Powe's camp said BOS said it was moving on. Some conflicting stories here.
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Post by freshnthehouse on Aug 13, 2009 22:16:03 GMT -5
Both sides' actions are completely justifiable. You can't blame the C's brass for not signing a guy whose future is in the air, and you can't blame Powe for being upset that the C's gave up on him.
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Post by FLCeltsFan on Aug 15, 2009 22:28:36 GMT -5
What I don't like is the way Danny came out after the fact and said that he made an offer to Powe. Leon said that they didn't make an offer. He waited for months and even called to ask and the best Danny would do was to say that when he was ready to play they would make him an offer. Then Cavs made the offer and Leon agreed to go there and THEN Danny made the offer to Powe. Leon knows loyalty, even if Danny doesn't and when he gave his word, even though he would rather have stayed in Boston, he kept his word to Cleveland. Then Danny the snake made it sound as though he had made an offer to Leon before. Danny handled the whole thing wrong. He was banking on nobody wanting to sign him while he was rehabbing. But, teams know his heart and work ethic and have more faith in him than Danny did and then Danny tried to cover his tail after the fact.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Aug 15, 2009 23:08:47 GMT -5
Wow, FL, sounds like you are bitter at Ainge. I don't think I've ever heard you call him a snake.
I think you are right about Ainge hoping that he could hide Powe under the radar, hoping that no team would pick him up. It was a calculated risk that backfired.
Here's how I feel about the whole thing: I don't think we'll be hurt that Powe is gone (we have strong depth at the frontcourt now). But I feel so bad for Powe because of all that he went through, throughout his life. Being poor and homeless, enduring the loss of his family members, multiple major knee surguries---disappointment after disappointment plagued his life.
And now we, the Boston Celtics, are also added to the list of disappointments.
But I wish him the best--as long as his knees hold up, I know he can be a fine player.
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Post by DERRENMATTS on Aug 15, 2009 23:31:42 GMT -5
more motivation for him to come back pretty much. that's how he rolls. Like I said, CF, Powe is not like that. Here's what he came out and said once the dust settled: What happened with Boston? Why did you decide to sign with the Cavs?
There was no offer from Boston. I waited a while, about a month or two, because I love Boston, I love the fans, I wanted to be there, but nothing happened. Then Cleveland made their offer, and I had nowhere else to go, so I gave them my word that I’d go there. You know, I’m the kind of person… I never go back on my word.
After the Cavs made their offer, did you start getting other offers?
I got offers from Portland, Dallas, the Lakers said if they didn’t bring Odom back that there was definitely interest, Memphis, and then Boston made an offer, but I had already told Cleveland I was coming.
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Post by freshnthehouse on Aug 16, 2009 3:29:47 GMT -5
I think that interview shows the motivation. He waited for Boston to make an offer, because he loved playing there. Boston never made an offer. He seems sore about it to me (I cant blame him).
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Post by Roadrunner on Aug 16, 2009 7:47:48 GMT -5
FL, and D, good posts (k+).
The business side of the NBA. You have a 3-year player that was a second round draft selection, and contributed to a World Championship team (and was equally impressive off the court as well). However, he blows out his knee (again), and C's are way over the cap.
One aspect I noticed was that Danny doesn't reveal his cards until the right time. Example - Glen Davis.
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Post by celtics2 on Aug 16, 2009 12:44:51 GMT -5
Each one of those surgeries take something out of a player. Seems he has been in stitches much of his career. I'm glad he got a job but Cleveland is rolling the dice here.
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Post by FLCeltsFan on Aug 16, 2009 14:28:00 GMT -5
I wasn't happy with letting Leon go. But what really made me mad was Danny trying to cover his tracks by trying to make Leon look like the one who turned his back on the Celtics. He came out and said that he made the same offer to Leon that Cleveland did and Leon picked the Cavs. What he didn't say was that he made that offer AFTER Leon had already told Cleveland he would sign with them (after waiting months for the Celtics and being stonewalled by Danny). I wasn't the first to call Danny a snake, Antoine was the first - After Danny promised him he wouldn't be traded a couple of weeks before Antoine was traded. Then there were the lies about Big Al's ankles that time. Al was being called soft and being criticized for not playing on his "sprained ankle" Then Danny comes out after the season saying they were going to check out the ankle and he said they just cleaned it up and that there had been nothing wrong with the ankle. But Al set it straight saying that they took bone chips out of the ankle and after that he didn't have any more problems with the ankles. But Danny tried to gloss over it because they had been trying to make the kid play with bone chips in his ankle.
I just don't like the deception and the lies that Danny tells to cover his mistakes. If he makes a mistake he can at least own up to it. He messed up by underestimating Leon's value. That is clear by the fact that he made the offer AFTER Cleveland did. He did want Leon back but was playing a game with him to try to have his cake and eat it too. Other players see that Danny has no loyalty to his players and they may decide to go elsewhere to a club where loyalty and hard work is rewarded. So, Danny tried to make it look as though Leon was the one that was turning his back on the Celtics and that just wasn't true.
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