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« Thread Started on Jun 7, 2009, 9:07pm » | |
I like Big Baby. He did a great job stepping up and has shown signs he can do a lot of things, but I also don't think he has that high a ceiling. Watching a guy like Odom vs Davis, Odom is clearly the more talented player. BAby is a 5 million dollar player vs a 8-10 million dollar one. but i dont know if i would even invest 5 mil in davis to be honest. Having a 5 million dollar guy and a 3 million guy vs a 8 million dollar guy might not be smart. A decision the c's are going tohave to make is do we go out and get someone really good and pay someone the minumum again to go along vs spending on davis and marbury to be honest. But we will see.
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Davis 5 mil
Marbury 3 mil
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Someone like Odom or Sheed for 8 mil and signing someone for the minimum.
That's what we are going to be looking at. Plus will Marbury even take 3 mil or is he going to be looking for 5 as well?
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« Reply #1 on Jun 7, 2009, 11:02pm » | |
Big Baby played very well filling in for KG in the playoffs but With KG back in the starting lineup, Big Baby will be back to coming off the bench. How much is an undersized back up PF worth? I like Big Baby and would love to have him back, but agree that we shouldn't over pay him. The Celtics will make the qualifying offer and then will have to see that the market offers him. Then they will have to decide whether they can match the offer without hurting the team financially.
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« Reply #2 on Jun 8, 2009, 12:31am » | |
I also wouldn't overpay him, but I'd pay a bit over what he's worth if it will keep him here.
He is limited and doesn't have a high ceiling. But the guy is young, and he does bring good things to the table.
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« Reply #3 on Jun 8, 2009, 8:51am » | |
Big Baby proved he is worth a starting PF slot somewhere - the "undersized" moniker will devalue his worth, but it shouldn't, and that is where the Celtics will make out like bandits when they resign him.
One should never underestimate the heart of a "Big Baby", and there's so much more to being able to play in the paint than just being tall. Tall is under-rated. Ask Charles Barkley, Elvin Hayes and Wes Unseld.
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« Reply #4 on Jun 8, 2009, 1:01pm » | |
Jun 8, 2009, 8:51am, manchvegasbob wrote:Big Baby proved he is worth a starting PF slot somewhere - the "undersized" moniker will devalue his worth, but it shouldn't, and that is where the Celtics will make out like bandits when they resign him.
One should never underestimate the heart of a "Big Baby", and there's so much more to being able to play in the paint than just being tall. Tall is under-rated. Ask Charles Barkley, Elvin Hayes and Wes Unseld. |
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I think I'll take that thought and run with it for an article on LOY's Place for tomorrow. I agree that tall is often given too much emphaisis. Clifford Ray and Dave Cowens are two other examples.
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« Reply #5 on Jun 8, 2009, 1:27pm » | |
I'll see what you come up with, and might run with a follow-up article at CSL Blog!!!
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« Reply #6 on Jun 8, 2009, 4:59pm » | |
Tall may be overrated, but if you also have short arms and a small vertical jump it's going to be hard to overcome being short. Most of guys who overcame being short for their position either had long arms like Leon, or had superior leaping ability like Barkley and Cowens. Davis can be a solid pro (more than I thought not that long ago), but I don't see more than that.
In most circumstances I'd take the $8 million player over having a $5 and a $3 (assuming quality matched price) but we are over the cap and can't sign an $8 whereas we can resign our own players at $5 anf $3.
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« Reply #7 on Jun 8, 2009, 5:34pm » | |
Okay JMost - go ahead and fall into the trap of short arms and small jump, but tell me who is who below for two PFs - Glen Davis and Rashard Lewis, based on their 48min stats for the playoffs.
REBS STLS BLKS PTS
Player1 7.4 1.2 0.8 23.3
Player2 7.6 1.7 0.8 21.1
Hint one is our self-described "Ticket Stub" and the other a taller, longer-armed all-star who most likely can also out leap poor Glen.
I guess you might have to give some credit to strength, skill and basketball IQ somewhere along the way. Otherwise Dwight Howard would have destroyed the Celtics single-handed since Perkins couldn't be on the floor for 48 minutes per game . . . but that obviously didn't happen thanks to Davis utility in the front court.
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« Reply #8 on Jun 8, 2009, 5:56pm » | |
Wow, those are really terrible rebounding numbers - for both guys.
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« Reply #9 on Jun 8, 2009, 7:59pm » | |
Jun 8, 2009, 5:56pm, jmost (away) wrote:Wow, those are really terrible rebounding numbers - for both guys.
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As expected. Baby is limited because he's short limbed and has a short vertical.
What Baby does have going for him is his strength to move players out of their comfort zone--that helps him the most when he's battling for position near the basket. But when the ball is up in the air and he's jumping up against a 6'9" guy with long arms and good jumping ability, he's most likely not going to get it.
Leon Powe is a good example of what an undersized PF with long limbs and an average vertical jump can do (plus, Powe has inpecable timing on rebounds).
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« Reply #10 on Jun 8, 2009, 8:45pm » | |
more of what i was getting at was if you could have someone like Sheed, Odom or Artest or someone like Davis and Marbury who would you take? Because they'd cost us the same.
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« Reply #12 on Jun 9, 2009, 12:43am » | |
Jun 8, 2009, 8:45pm, CF00 wrote:| more of what i was getting at was if you could have someone like Sheed, Odom or Artest or someone like Davis and Marbury who would you take? Because they'd cost us the same. |
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That's a tough question cause we have multiple holes to fill.
For instance, in your scenario, 8 million can go towards 2 areas to fill with good players (Baby <PF> and Marbury <PG>).
But if we go get someone like Artest (just as an ecample, cause he's staying in HOU for all I know), and he costs 8 million on his own, well we're just filling 1 weak area, and still have other areas to fill without much money left.
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« Reply #13 on Jun 9, 2009, 6:32am » | |
Jun 8, 2009, 8:56pm, FLCeltsFan wrote:
Nice run down of the facts - my bad though - I meant to include Elgin Baylor instead of Elvin Hayes in my post - Baylor was just a mad rebounder at 6' 5" who could score with the best of them. I guess I get those "E" names included.
I was thinking about Russell and Cowen being smallish, but they are not in the same league of the burly guys like Unseld and Barkley.
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« Reply #14 on Jun 9, 2009, 9:29pm » | |
Davis at above the MLE is an economical bad decision, because he was only 8pts, and 5 boards as a bench player.
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